Re: "Free Will Theorem"

2005-04-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
I will suppose the message of Russell was for the list, and forward it (without the attachment :). Russell, dont hesitate to tell me where are you stuck in UDA. Same question for Hal Finney. A summary of UDA: http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004Slide.pdf Explanation can be

Re: Implications of MWI

2005-04-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-avr.-05, à 23:30, Mark Fancey a écrit : I am taking this from the saying: 'everything that can happen does happen and is happening right now' Right, but only with a measure relative to your actual state. It would be absurd not to drink coffee when you want it under the pretext tha

Re: Implications of MWI

2005-04-27 Thread Jesse Mazer
From: "Norman Samish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Subject: Re: Implications of MWI Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:30:31 -0700 Jonathan, If it is true that “In infinite time and infinite space, whatever can happen, must happen, not only once but an infinite number of times,” then

RE: Implications of MWI

2005-04-27 Thread Jonathan Colvin
> Norman wrote: >If it is true that "In infinite time and infinite space, >whatever can happen, must happen, not only once but an >infinite number of times," then what does probability mean? >In your example below, there must be an infinity of worlds >where Colin Powell is president and an in

Re: Implications of MWI

2005-04-27 Thread Norman Samish
Jonathan, If it is true that “In infinite time and infinite space, whatever can happen, must happen, not only once but an infinite number of times,” then what does probability mean? In your example below, there must be an infinity of worlds where Colin Powell is president and an infinity of

Re: Implications of MWI

2005-04-27 Thread Norman Samish
Mark, What does "happening right now" mean in the MWI concept? Einstein showed that there is no universal "right now." Are you confusing this with a saying that I've seen attributed to C. A. Pickover, in his book “Keys to Infinity”? It goes “In infinite time and infinite space, whatever can

Quantum Behavior of Deterministic Systems with Information Loss. Path Integral Approach

2005-04-27 Thread Saibal Mitra
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0504200     Quantum Behavior of Deterministic Systems with Information Loss. Path Integral ApproachAuthors: M. Blasone, P. Jizba, H. KleinertComments: 11 pages, RevTeXSubj-class: Quantum Physics; Mathematical Physics 't Hooft's derivation of quantum from class

Re: Implications of MWI

2005-04-27 Thread "Hal Finney"
Mark Fancey writes: > You say that you are more careful now (and everyone should always be > more careful!); but is it not, in fact, irrelevant? This is because > the worlds in which you cause great tragedy exist even before you > arrive at a branch point that could take you to them. I think what

RE: Implications of MWI

2005-04-27 Thread Jonathan Colvin
>Mark Fancey writes: >> Did accepting and understanding the MWI drastically alter your >> philosophical worldview? If so, how? > >Hal: I don't know if I would describe it as a drastic alteration, >but I do tend to think of my actions as provoking a continuum >of results rather than a single re

Re: Implications of MWI

2005-04-27 Thread Mark Fancey
Hal: You say that you are more careful now (and everyone should always be more careful!); but is it not, in fact, irrelevant? This is because the worlds in which you cause great tragedy exist even before you arrive at a branch point that could take you to them. I am taking this from the saying:

Re: Implications of MWI

2005-04-27 Thread "Hal Finney"
Mark Fancey writes: > Did accepting and understanding the MWI drastically alter your > philosophical worldview? If so, how? I don't know if I would describe it as a drastic alteration, but I do tend to think of my actions as provoking a continuum of results rather than a single result. For exampl

Re: "Free Will Theorem"

2005-04-27 Thread John M
Dear Bruno, again a post from you with your wits. I will post my reply (if I get the relevant points from Russell and - if I can - ) onlist. However your expression: >"... I think we can progress > only by understanding misunderstandings ..."< (what I assume as 'the list's understanding of 'my' mis

Implications of MWI

2005-04-27 Thread Mark Fancey
Did accepting and understanding the MWI drastically alter your philosophical worldview? If so, how? I cannot answer this question myself because I do not truly understand many parts of it. Thanks -- Mark Fancey Anti-Bushite & Bullshite