Re: Which is Fundamental?

2005-05-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 12-mai-05, à 05:53, Lee Corbin a écrit : Bruno, I certainly wish you the absolute best of luck in deriving a law of physics from comp! Getting a version of string theory that afforded predictions would be as nothing in comparison from starting from incompleteness (in math) and deriving physics

Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-13 Thread Brian Scurfield
Bruno recently urged me to read up on Tim Maudlin's movie-graph argument against the computational hypothesis. I did so. Here is my version of the argument. According to the computational hypothesis, consciousness supervenes on brain activity and the important level of

Re: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Thanks for that very nice summary. I let people think about it. We have discussed it a long time before on the Everything-list. A keyword to find that discussion in the everything list archive is "crackpot" as Jacques Mallah named the argument. Good we can come back on this, because we didn't concl

Re: Final Announcement

2005-05-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Thank you for telling us, Bruno Le 12-mai-05, à 17:44, Ti Bo a écrit : Final Announcement Data Ecologies 2005 will take place from 9:30 until 16:00 at the Time's Up laboratories in Linz this Friday 13th and Saturday 14th May. Themes include the physics of virtual spaces, whether real space is c

Re: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-13 Thread "Hal Finney"
We had some discussion of Maudlin's paper on the everything-list in 1999. I summarized the paper at http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m898.html . Subsequent discussion under the thread title "implementation" followed up; I will point to my posting at http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m962.h

RE: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-13 Thread Brian Scurfield
Hal wrote: > We had some discussion of Maudlin's paper on the everything-list in 1999. > I summarized the paper at http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m898.html > . > Subsequent discussion under the thread title "implementation" followed > up; I will point to my posting at > http://www.escribe.c

RE: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-13 Thread Jesse Mazer
Brian Scurfield wrote: Bruno recently urged me to read up on Tim Maudlin's movie-graph argument against the computational hypothesis. I did so. Here is my version of the argument. According to the computational hypothesis, consciousness supervenes on brain activity and

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-13 Thread Lee Corbin
Bruno writes > [Lee writes] > > But many here contend that abstract > > patterns---mathematical stings, really---can do *so* much cross- > > referencing and quoting of each other that a form of paste obtains > > that wields them in to something capable of having experiences. > > But a familiar abs

RE: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-13 Thread Lee Corbin
Hal writes > We had some discussion of Maudlin's paper on the everything-list in 1999. > I summarized the paper at http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m898.html . > Subsequent discussion under the thread title "implementation" followed > ... > I suggested a flaw in Maudlin's argument at > http:/

RE: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-13 Thread Lee Corbin
Jesse comments on Brian's remarkable and exceedingly valuable explication (thanks, Brian!), even if some old-timers are having deja-vu all over again, and are wondering if indeed the universe isn't hopelessly cyclic after all. > > triggering tape locations. To make it even simpler, the read/write