Re: Help With Attribution

2005-05-22 Thread Giu1i0 Pri5c0
Yes I wrote it. How do you guys like it? G. On 5/23/05, Russell Standish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears to have been written by someone called Giulio Prisco, who > signs his name Giu1i0 Pri5c0, and is active in the Society for > Universal Immortalism. His home page is http://prisco.info/g

RE: Sociological approach

2005-05-22 Thread Lee Corbin
RMiller writes > I'm approaching this as a sociologist with some physics background so I'm > focusing on what the behavior system perceives ("measures"). If all > possible worlds exist in a superpositional state, then the behavior system > should likewise exist in a superpositional state. If t

Sociological approach

2005-05-22 Thread rmiller
I'm approaching this as a sociologist with some physics background so I'm focusing on what the behavior system perceives ("measures"). If all possible worlds exist in a superpositional state, then the behavior system should likewise exist in a superpositional state. If there are say, 10 pos

Re: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 04:00:39AM +0100, Patrick Leahy wrote: > > > Hmm, my lack of a pure maths background may be getting me into trouble > here. What about real numbers? Do you need an infinite axiomatic system to > handle them? Because it seems to me that your ensemble of digital strings >

Re: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-22 Thread "Hal Finney"
Regarding the nature of Tegmark's mathematical objects, I found some old discussion on the list, a debate between me and Russell Standish, in which Russell argued that Tegmark's objects should be understood as formal systems, while I claimed that they should be seen more as pure Platonic objects wh

Re: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-22 Thread "Hal Finney"
Patrick Leahy writes: > Sure enough, you came up with my objection years ago, in the form of the > "White Rabbit" paradox. Since usage is a bit vague, I'll briefly re-state > it here. The problem is that worlds which are "law-like", that is which > behave roughly as if there are physical laws bu

Re: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-22 Thread Patrick Leahy
On Mon, 23 May 2005, Russell Standish wrote: I think most of us concluded that Tegmark's thesis is somewhat ambiguous. One "interpretation" of it that both myself and Bruno tend to make is that it is the set of finite axiomatic systems (finite sets of axioms, and recusively enumerated theorems

Re: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-22 Thread aet.radal ssg
I would agree with Russell, here. That's what I meant when I said that I didn't like Tegmark's mathematical model but I could tolerate it. In the end, it gives me what I need in that it supports parallel universes and doesn't threaten E/W, etc. At the same time, I don't have a dog in every fight

Re: Challenging the Basic Assumptions

2005-05-22 Thread aet.radal ssg
I'd rather be reading quantum physics, but... - Original Message - From: "Lee Corbin" To: everything-list@eskimo.com Subject: Challenging the Basic Assumptions Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:53:34 -0700 > > aet writes > > Jesse [writes] > but hey, this list is all about rambling specula

Re: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 12:03:55AM +0100, Patrick Leahy wrote: ... > A very similar argument ("rubbish universes") was put forward long ago > against David Lewis's modal realism, and is discussed in his "On the > plurality of worlds". As I understand it, Lewis's defence was that there > is no

Re: White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-22 Thread aet.radal ssg
Without getting into a long hurrang, I think that Tegmark is correct, at least in part. Briefly, there has to be a reason why these alternate worlds exist. I'm referring to the Everett-Wheeler hypothesis and not just wishful thinking. Granted, if I remember correctly, Tegmark does deal with the

Re: Help With Attribution

2005-05-22 Thread Russell Standish
It appears to have been written by someone called Giulio Prisco, who signs his name Giu1i0 Pri5c0, and is active in the Society for Universal Immortalism. His home page is http://prisco.info/giulio/. All found within about 2 minutes using Google! Cheers On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 10:50:51AM -0700,

White Rabbit vs. Tegmark

2005-05-22 Thread Patrick Leahy
I looked into this mailing list because I thought I'd come up with a fairly cogent objection to Max Tegmark's version of the "everything" thesis, i.e. that there is no distinction between physical and mathematical reality... our multiverse is one particular solution to a set of differential e

Re: Nothing to Explain about 1st Person C!

2005-05-22 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Lee, Are we not dancing around the Turing Test here? Stephen - Original Message - From: "Lee Corbin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "EverythingList" Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: RE: Nothing to Explain about 1st Person C! Bruno writes > Do you imagine that it's po

RE: What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-22 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis writes > There are some things that can be known by examination of an object, and > there are other things that can only be known by being the object. Okay; but some examples are probably necessary. (1) Only Mozart can know what it's like for the Mozart auditory system to hear C-sharp on

RE: Nothing to Explain about 1st Person C!

2005-05-22 Thread Lee Corbin
Bruno writes > > Do you imagine that it's possible that we could go to > > another star, and encounter beings who discoursed with > > us about every single other thing, yet denied that they > > had consciousness, and professed that they had no idea > > what we were talking about? Yes or No! I want

Help With Attribution

2005-05-22 Thread Lee Corbin
First, let me say that I appreciate the comments of Bruno and Stathis in regard to questions about Chalmerite mysteries; Unfortunately, I have not quite had time to examine them closely but they look exceedingly promising. Meanwhile, I need help. Who wrote the following? How does one tell? It's

Re: What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 22-mai-05, à 10:13, Lee Corbin a écrit : [Stathis] Perhaps this is true, but it is not logically consistent to say that it must be true and still maintain the 1st person/ 3rd person distinction we have been discussing. This is because the whole point of the distinction is that it is not

RE: What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-22 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Lee, There are some things that can be known by examination of an object, and there are other things that can only be known by being the object. When the object is a human brain, this latter class of things is consciousness. (When the object is something else, this latter class of thing is...

RE: What do you lose if you simply accept...

2005-05-22 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis writes > photon or to *be* a tree photosynthesising. Most people would say that > photons and trees aren't conscious, and therefore they *can* be entirely > understood from a 3rd person perspective. On this list?? You think that most people *here* presume that photons and trees are not

Re: WHY DOES ANYTHING EXIST (typos corrected)

2005-05-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 21-mai-05, à 20:32, Lee Corbin a écrit : Come on, now. Nobody here, understands what Bruno's done, except *maybe* Bruno. You exaggerate, I think. And you take the risk of mystifying what I have done, which is far more simple than you imagine. Of course there is a conceptual difficulty,