On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 03:37:05PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Le 15-juin-05, ? 01:39, Russell Standish a ?crit :
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 04:39:57PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
OK but it can be misleading (especially in advanced stuff!). neither a
program, nor a machine nor a body nor
Russell Standish wrote:
Well, actually I'd say the fist *is* identical to the hand.
At least,
my fist seems to be identical to my hand.
Even when the hand is open
Define fist. You don't seem to be talking about a thing,
but some
sort of Platonic form. That's an expressly
Jonathan Colvin writes:
In the process of writing this email, I did some googling, and it seems my
objection has been independantly discovered (some time ago). See
http://hanson.gmu.edu/nodoom.html
In particular, I note the following section, which seems to mirror my
argument rather
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 11:02:01AM +1000, Russell Standish wrote:
Applying the SSA, the colour of the light when you first find yourself
in the room is more likely to be the high measure state than the low
measure state. (You didn't state what that colour was, but hopefully
the fictional
Le 17-juin-05, 07:47, Eric Cavalcanti a crit :
if you believe God's story, the most likely is that
you have just been created after the last switch, and you have a false
memory of being there for a while.
I don't see why you call that memory false. Suppose you begin to play
chess with the
Note that the question why am I me and not my brother is strictly
equivalent with why am I the one in Washington and not the one in
Moscow after a WM duplication. It is strictly unanswerable. Even a God
could not give an adequate explanation (assuming c.).
Bruno
Le 16-juin-05, 23:02,
Le Jeudi 16 Juin 2005 23:31, Quentin Anciaux a crit:
Le Jeudi 16 Juin 2005 16:12, Stathis Papaioannou a crit :
One state consists of you alone in your room. The other state
consists of 10^100 exact copies of you, their minds perfectly
synchronised
with your mind, each copy isolated from all
Hi Jesse,
I was still trying to put some sort of reply together to your last post, but
I think your water analogy is making me more rather than less confused as to
your actual position on these issues, which is obviously something you have
thought deeply about. With the puzzle in this thread,
Ok, does that not imply that it is a meaningless question? If you want to
insist that this question is meaningful, I don't see how this is possible
without assuming a dualism of some sort (exactly which sort I'm trying to
figure out).
If the material universe is identical under situation (A) (I
Hal Finney wrote:
It's an interesting question as to how far we can comfortably
or meaningfully take counterfactuals. At some level it is
completely mundane to say things like, if I had taken a
different route to work today, I wouldn't have gotten caught
in that traffic jam. We aren't thrown
Hal Finney wrote:
Jonathan Colvin writes:
In the process of writing this email, I did some googling, and it
seems my objection has been independantly discovered (some
time ago).
See http://hanson.gmu.edu/nodoom.html
In particular, I note the following section, which seems to
mirror my
On Jun 17, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Hal Finney wrote:
Does it make sense for Jobs to say, who would I have been if that had
happened?
Yes, it makes sense, but only because we know that the phrase Who
would I have been, uttered by Steve Jobs, is just a convenient way
for expressing a
Stathis wrote:
...Once the difficulty of creating an AI was overcome, it would be a
trivial matter to copy the program to another machine (or as a separate process
on the same machine) and give it the same inputs.
OK this is weird. Every time I get an email from Stathis, I actually
get
... or should I say "spooky"?
Tom Caylor
Just to clarify my view on copies, if they start to diverge from me the
moment they are created, then they aren't me and I don't care about them in
a *selfish* way. That is, if a copy experiences a pain, I don't experience
that pain, which I think is as good a test as any to distinguish self
Not spooky. Stathis is using the Group Reply feature, which sends a
copy of the reply to whoever sent the original message, plus a copy to
the mailing list. I see this phenomenon all the time with responses to
message I've posted.
Cheer
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 05:59:39PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On What would it be like to have been born someone else, how does
this differ from What is it like to be a bat?
Presumably Jonathon Colvin would argue that this latter question is
meaningless, unless immaterial souls existed.
I still find it hard to understand this argument. The question What
is
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