Jesse Mazer wrote:
[quoting Stathis, responding to a post by George Levy]
The "high standard" I have described does not go nearly as far as copying
the exact quantum state of every atom. It is merely aknowledging the fact
that information in brains is not stored in the anatomical arrangement of
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
George Levy wrote:
[quoting Stathis]
You would also need to know the electrical potential at every point of
every cell membrane; the ionic gradients (Na, K, Ca, pH and others)
across every cell membrane, including intracellular membranes; the type,
position and con
George Levy wrote:
[quoting Stathis]
You would also need to know the electrical potential at every point of
every cell membrane; the ionic gradients (Na, K, Ca, pH and others) across
every cell membrane, including intracellular membranes; the type, position
and conformation of every receptor,
How does a quasi-zombie differ from a full zombie? And how could his
descendants ever realise this, even after centuries - wouldn't this require
a foolproof 3rd person method of determining 1st person experience?
--Stathis
Le 06-juil.-05, à 22:12, George Levy a écrit :
In a brain substitu
Pete writes
> But isn't the use of time as the dimension along which things vary
> (or are 'processed') a somewhat arbitrary choice?
>
> I've wrote to the list before about a "Game of Life" simulation in
> which, instead of running the states of the automaton forward in
> time, erasing the
Le 06-juil.-05, à 22:12, George Levy a écrit :
In a brain substitution experiment, when should the patient say "yes
doctor" or "no doctor"?
The comp answers: this is a question bearing on a private and personal
domain, including the possible relations you have with a doctor you
thrust (
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
You would also need to know the electrical potential at every point of
every cell membrane; the ionic gradients (Na, K, Ca, pH and others)
across every cell membrane, including intracellular membranes; the
type, position and conformation of every receptor, ion channe
Hi Pete,
- Original Message -
From: "Pete Carlton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Everything-List"
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: The Time Deniers
On Jul 6, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
There is a huge difference in kind between "existing" and
"
On Jul 6, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
There is a huge difference in kind between "existing" and
"emulating". Existing is atemporal by definition since existence
can not depend on any other property. Emulations involve some
notion of a process and such are temporal. The
Hi Stathis:
At 02:15 AM 7/6/2005, you wrote:
I'm not sure what you are saying here. Are you invoking something like
Zeno's Paradox, which purports to show that motion is impossible? If you
believe in observers and in moments (even if they are the "block universe"
kind of moments), then you be
Hi Lee,
To split a hair... ;-)
- Original Message -
From: "Lee Corbin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: The Time Deniers
snip
I am still at the point where I cannot quite imagine how a
huge nest of bit strings (say all the real numbers betwee
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 10:31:50PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> This may be getting a little off topic for this list, but it has always
> seemed to me hopelessly naive to think that a person's mind could be
Perhaps, perhaps not.
> emulated from cryopreserved brain tissue. It would be l
Eugen Leitl writes:
[quoting Stathis]
> point in human evolution. But while we have been discussing the rich
> philosophical issues raised by this possibility, and touched on some of
the
> social issues in a world where copying is common, nobody has really
talked
> about how these copies will
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Russell writes
> I find it amazing
> that you claim I deny the existence of time. Au contraire, it is
> something I explicitly assume. My reading of Bruno's work is that time
> is implicitly assumed as part of computationalism (I know Bruno
> sometimes does not quite agree, but there you have it).
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 06:47:40PM -0700, Lee Corbin wrote:
> There have been many, many investigations of this idea. It may
> not be an exaggeration to say that the main theme of this list
> has been a pursuit of the idea. But Stephen Paul King gives a
> very appropriate name to all the sponsors o
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