Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, Le 03-févr.-06, à 23:45, John M a écrit : --- Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just compare past systems of 'logic' - say back to 3000 years, about "the same nature (world)" and you can agree that ALL OF THEM cannot be true. I agree. I would say HALF of them are true. My

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-04 Thread John M
--- Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John, > > Le 03-févr.-06, à 23:45, John M a écrit : > > > --- Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just compare past systems of 'logic' - say back to > > 3000 years, about "the same nature (world)" and > >you can agree that ALL OF THEM c

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, Le 04-févr.-06, à 17:20, John M a écrit : Bruno, You missed my point: whatever you want to test is still WITHIN the - I condone - HALF which you deem true. But it is perfectly circular: you test our human logic/understanding within human logic/understanding. I don't think so. I test

Re: Belief, faith, truth

2006-02-04 Thread Norman Samish
Bruno,   Thanks for your response.  I don't understand why you say my argument is not valid.  Granted, much of what you write is unintelligible to me because you are expert in fields of which I know little.  Nevertheless, a cat can look at a king.  Here is what we've said so far:   (Norman

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-04 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 04:30:11PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: > I agree. I guess in our local and sharable past, humans reached > loebianity 200,000 years ago. I'm not sure why you say 200Kya, other than it being the origin of our species. There is a fair bit of evidence that something significa