SV: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Lennart Nilsson
-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Brent Meeker Skickat: den 10 juli 2006 23:04 Till: everything-list@googlegroups.com Ämne: Re: SV: Only logic is necessary? I'd say the decision to use classical logic is an assumption that

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 09-juil.-06, à 17:20, James N Rose a écrit : Bruno, I reviewed the archive and found no reply. I will repeat it again, hoping for your thoughts: from July 2, 2006 (lightly amended and then addended) Bruno, I have found myself in this lifetime to be a staunch OP-ponent and

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 10-juil.-06, à 16:03, 1Z a écrit : It is a modest metaphysical posit which can be used to explain a variety of observed phenomena, ranging from Time and Change to the observed absence of Harry Potter universes. How could a substantial world be' a modest metaphysical posit? First nobody

Re: A calculus of personal identity (ERRATA)

2006-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Bruno Marchal a écrit (to Jamie N Rose): Concerning your use of the word proposition, I don't understand exactly what you mean by the words exists accessible perfectly accessible, The whole sentence is rather hard to follow. Godel used this: From A - B and A - ~B, infer ~A. Godel

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
[Working my way slowly up the list of many excellent posts from the past few days, excuse me if someone else has already answered this...] Lee Corbin writes (quoting SP): If [a] species believed that 2+2=5, or that their kidneys were the organs of respiration, they would be wrong. But

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread 1Z
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 10-juil.-06, à 16:03, 1Z a écrit : It is a modest metaphysical posit which can be used to explain a variety of observed phenomena, ranging from Time and Change to the observed absence of Harry Potter universes. How could a substantial world be' a modest

Re: Diagonalization (solution-sequel)

2006-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 10-juil.-06, à 21:55, Tom Caylor a écrit : Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Tom, hi George, I recall the 4 diag problems, and the three solutions already provided. Below, I give the solution of the fourth, and new exercises. Read this with paper and pencil, or don't read it. If you

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
1Z wrote: The clue is our failure ot observe HP universes, as predicted by Platonic theories. It a theory predicts somethig which is not observed, it is falsified. But this is a bit of a strawman, because most on this list who subscribe to the view that every possible world or observer-moment

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 11-juil.-06, à 16:24, 1Z a écrit : How could a substantial world be' a modest metaphysical posit? By explaining a lot from on e premiss. I could agree that it eases the mind. Like God's notion. But it explains nothing, like when God is used as an (empty) explanation. Today, physician

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
In three different posts, Brent Meeker wrote : I'm not sure that logic in the formal sense can be right or wrong; it's a set of conventions about language and inference. About the only standard I've seen by which a logic or mathematical system could be called wrong is it if it is

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Tom Caylor
This discussion is very interesting to me. Not addressing anyone in particular, I only have time to make a quick comment, and hope that I can get time for later: In my reading about Plato, it seems that Plato didn't have the answers either. It might be helpful to remember that Plato not only

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread 1Z
Jesse Mazer wrote: 1Z wrote: The clue is our failure ot observe HP universes, as predicted by Platonic theories. It a theory predicts somethig which is not observed, it is falsified. But this is a bit of a strawman, because most on this list who subscribe to the view that every

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread 1Z
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 11-juil.-06, à 16:24, 1Z a écrit : How could a substantial world be' a modest metaphysical posit? By explaining a lot from on e premiss. I could agree that it eases the mind. Like God's notion. But it explains nothing, like when God is used as an (empty)

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
IZ wrote: Jesse Mazer wrote: 1Z wrote: The clue is our failure ot observe HP universes, as predicted by Platonic theories. It a theory predicts somethig which is not observed, it is falsified. But this is a bit of a strawman, because most on this list who subscribe to

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, Le Mardi 11 Juillet 2006 21:52, 1Z a écrit : Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 11-juil.-06, à 16:24, 1Z a écrit : Now if you assume primary matter, no doubt you need to reject comp, giving that what I show is that you cannot have both. Brains are material. Computers are material. I think you

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-11 Thread John M
Stathis asked: (last lines) "What more to it than that is there? Sure, the details are infinitely variable, but basically living things are around because they managed to stay around and propagate themselves" That would call for my 'opinion in my narrative' about mutation and natural

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread 1Z
Jesse Mazer wrote: IZ wrote: And mathematical MWI *would* be in the same happy position *if* it could find a justification for MWI or classical measure. However, in the absence of a satifactory theory of measure, no-once can say that the posit of matter, of material existence is

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread 1Z
Quentin Anciaux wrote: Hi, Le Mardi 11 Juillet 2006 21:52, 1Z a écrit : Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 11-juil.-06, à 16:24, 1Z a écrit : Now if you assume primary matter, no doubt you need to reject comp, giving that what I show is that you cannot have both. Brains are material.

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-11 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: [Working my way slowly up the list of many excellent posts from the past few days, excuse me if someone else has already answered this...] Lee Corbin writes (quoting SP): If [a] species believed that 2+2=5, or that their kidneys were the organs of

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 11-juil.-06, à 16:24, 1Z a écrit : How could a substantial world be' a modest metaphysical posit? By explaining a lot from on e premiss. I could agree that it eases the mind. Like God's notion. But it explains nothing, like when God is used as an (empty)

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread 1Z
Jesse Mazer wrote: IZ wrote: Jesse Mazer wrote: IZ wrote: And mathematical MWI *would* be in the same happy position *if* it could find a justification for MWI or classical measure. However, in the absence of a satifactory theory of measure, no-once can say that

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread 1Z
Brent Meeker wrote: For the same reason they are far more Christians than Buddhist. And none of your materialist even try to define matter. They take it for granted, following mainly Aristotle. Almost all materialist react by knocking a table when they want me to realize matter exists.

Re: SV: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
1Z wrote: Jesse Mazer wrote: IZ wrote: Jesse Mazer wrote: IZ wrote: And mathematical MWI *would* be in the same happy position *if* it could find a justification for MWI or classical measure. However, in the absence of a satifactory theory of

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2006-07-11 Thread Russell Standish
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RE: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-11 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis writes There is an important difference between normative statements and descriptive or empirical statements. Quoting from Wikipedia: Descriptive (or constative) statements are falsifiable statements that attempt to describe reality. Normative statements, on the other hand,

RE: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-11 Thread Lee Corbin
Brent wrote I would say that what makes a statement like we're the same person from moment to moment true is that it's an inference from, or a part of, a model of the world that is true in the provisional sense of scientific theories, i.e. it subsumes and predicts many empirically

RE: Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
John Mikes writes: My mutation story is based on interactive responses to the ceaseless changes of the rest of the world producing variations in offsprings. Some more compatible than others. The variations with more 'fitness'(?) will proliferate more abundantly so they are the