Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-30 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > Brent meeker writes: > > I don't think "intelligence" is meaningful without an environment with which it can interact. The same for computation: what distinguishes computation and noise is a context in which it interacts with its environment. >>>

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-30 Thread C. W.
Hi, Stathis, Brent, In multiverses, I think it's possible to say there exists one universe which could include only one (super) being with nothing else. I mean this (super) being is the universe itself. So this super being knows everything right at the beginning of this universe. No need and n

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-07-30 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent meeker writes: > >>I don't think "intelligence" is meaningful without an environment with > >>which it can interact. The same for computation: what distinguishes > >>computation and noise is a context in which it interacts with its > >>environment. > > > > > > What about an intelligen

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-30 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > Brent Meeker writes: > > >>I don't think "intelligence" is meaningful without an environment with >>which it can interact. The same for computation: what distinguishes >>computation and noise is a context in which it interacts with its >>environment. > > > What

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-07-30 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent Meeker writes: > I don't think "intelligence" is meaningful without an environment with > which it can interact. The same for computation: what distinguishes > computation and noise is a context in which it interacts with its > environment. What about an intelligent, conscious being sp

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-30 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > Brent Meeker writes: > > >>Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >>>Peter Jones writes (quoting SP): >>> >>> >>> >The constraints (a) and (b) you mention are ad hoc and an >unnecessary complication. Suppose Klingon computers change their >internal code every cloc

Re: Emotions (was: Indeterminism

2006-07-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 29-juil.-06, à 18:23, David Nyman a écrit : > "No doctor!" Or rather, it depends what you mean by 'what really > describes me'. What I have argued is that, at the 'physical' level of > description, running a hardware-independent computation could never > 'really describe me' in one of the m

Re: Emotions (was: Indeterminism

2006-07-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 28-juil.-06, à 22:15, David Nyman a écrit : > In your comments above you refer to Platonism. It seems clear that if > we are to regard mathematics or comp as having the kind of 'efficacy' > (sorry, but what word would you prefer?), then we must indeed grant > them some sort of Platonic ind

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-07-30 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes: > > > I can say that a hydrogen atom can't compute an entire virtual > > > universe, > > > because there isn't enough "room". > > > > If you can map multiple computation states to one physical state, then all > > the requisite computations can be run in parallel on a very lim