James N Rose wrote:
> Stathis,
>
> The reason for lack of responses is that your idea
> goes directly to illuminating why AI systems - as
> promoulgated under current designs of software
> running in hardware matrices - CANNOT emulate living
> systems. It an issue that AI advocates intuitively
Russell Standish schreef:
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 03:26:59PM -0800, William wrote:
> >
> > > If the universe is computationallu simulable, then any universal
> > > Turing machine will do for a "higher hand". In which case, the
> > > information needed is simply the shortest possible program fo
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 09:14:36AM -, William wrote:
>
> I think I'm following your reasoning here, this theorem could also be
> used to prove that any probability distribution for universes, which
> gives a lower or equal probability to a system with fewer information;
> must be wrong. Right
Jamie,
I basically agree with your appraisal of the differences between living
brains and digital computers. However, it should be possible for a general
purpose computer to emulate the behaviour of a biological system in software.
After all, biological systems are just comprised of matter fo
Brent Meeker writes:
> I would say that many complex mechanical systems react to "pain" in a way
> similar to simple animals. For example, aircraft have automatic shut downs
> and fire extinguishers. They can change the flight controls to reduce stress
> on structures. Whether they feel th
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> Bruno Marchal writes:
> >
> > Le 12-déc.-06, à 11:16, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruno Marchal writes (quoting Tom Caylor):
> > >
> > >>> In my view, your motivation is not large enough. I am also motivated
> > >>> by a problem: the problem o
Le 13-déc.-06, à 02:01, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
> OK, but the point is that the basic definition of "bad" is arbitrary.
Perhaps, but honestly I am not sure. In acomp, we can define a (very
platonist) notion of "bad". The simpler and stronger one is just the
falsity "f". Then Bf, BBf, B
Le 13-déc.-06, à 02:45, Russell Standish a écrit :
> Essentially that is the Occam razor theorem. Simpler universes have
> higher probability.
In the ASSA(*) realm I can give sense to this. I think Hal Finney and
Wei Dai have defended something like this. But in the comp RSSA(**)
realm, stri
Bruno Marchal wrote:
> > It might seem
> > that there would be some consensus, for example that torturing
> > innocent people
> > is an example of "bad", but it is possible to assert without fear of
> > logical or
> > empirical contradiction that torturing innocent people is good.
>
> I disagree
Stathis,
As I was reading your comments this morning, an example
crossed my mind that might fit your description of in-place
code lines that monitor 'disfunction' and exist in-situ as
a 'pain' alert .. that would be error evaluating 'check-sum'
computations.
In a functional way, parallel check-s
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>
> Brent Meeker writes:
>
>> I would say that many complex mechanical systems react to "pain" in a way
>> similar to simple animals. For example, aircraft have automatic shut downs
>> and fire extinguishers. They can change the flight controls to reduce
>> stress
1Z wrote:
>
> Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>> Bruno Marchal writes:
>>> Le 12-déc.-06, à 11:16, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
>>>
Bruno Marchal writes (quoting Tom Caylor):
>> In my view, your motivation is not large enough. I am also motivated
>> by a problem: the problem o
Brent Meeker wrote:
> 1Z wrote:
> >
> > Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> >> Bruno Marchal writes:
> >>> Le 12-déc.-06, à 11:16, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
> >>>
>
> Bruno Marchal writes (quoting Tom Caylor):
>
> >> In my view, your motivation is not large enough. I am also moti
1Z wrote:
>
> Brent Meeker wrote:
>> 1Z wrote:
>>> Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
Bruno Marchal writes:
> Le 12-déc.-06, à 11:16, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
>
>> Bruno Marchal writes (quoting Tom Caylor):
>>
In my view, your motivation is not large enough. I am also
Hi Stathis/Jamie et al.
I've been busy else where in self-preservation mode deleting emails
madly .frustrating, with so many threads left hanging...oh well...but
I couldn't go past this particular dialog.
I am having trouble that you actually believe the below to be the case!
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