Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-18 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 3/19/07, *Brent Meeker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > >If there are OMs which don't > > remember being you then they are not going to be part of your > stream of > > consciousness. > > There's the rub

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/19/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >If there are OMs which don't > > remember being you then they are not going to be part of your stream of > > consciousness. > > There's the rub. Almost all my OMs *do not* include consciously > remembering being me (or anyone). And if you su

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-18 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 3/19/07, *Brent Meeker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > > > On 3/19/07, *Brent Meeker* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/19/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > > > On 3/19/07, *Brent Meeker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Each observer moment lives only transiently and is not in > telepathic > > > communication wi

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
I don't mean the white rabbits from the Turing machine, I mean the ones outside it. If we accept that an abstract machine can just exist, without benefit of a separate physical reality, why not also accept that non-computational talking white rabbits can also just exist? That is, why should computa

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-18 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 3/19/07, *Brent Meeker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > Each observer moment lives only transiently and is not in telepathic > > communication with any other OMs, whether related to it or not. The > > effect (

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/19/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Each observer moment lives only transiently and is not in telepathic > > communication with any other OMs, whether related to it or not. The > > effect (or illusion) of continuity of consciousness is adequately > > explained by each OM remem

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-18 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 04:02:49PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: > I have not extracted the measure (nor do I think Russell did to be > honest), but I have extracted the logic of certainty (credibility one) > associated to each hypostasis, and those corresponding to Plotinus > Matter (or "our" me

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-18 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 03:25:51PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > One response to this idea is that the non-computational worlds are overrun > with white rabbits, whereas the computational worlds allow the calculation > of a local measure, such as Russell Standish has described, which explain

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-18 Thread Jason
> Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > I'm not sure what you mean by "the order of your current observer moment". > > > Stathis Papaioannou I see how my wording was confusing. What I meant by "order" was order vs. disorder, e.g. we are experiencing a well structured observer moment as opposed to whit

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-18 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 3/18/07, *Jason* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > Every conscious perspective within the UD could be said to have some > statistical measure in relation to other conscious perspectives. > Which is to say, some experienc

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-18 Thread John M
Jason, I salute this post, not because of the technicalities (which I don't want to get mixed into - understandably), but for its stance on the 'statistical'. I visualize the totality as incomprehensible for the present human mind with its limited mental capacity and so whatever 'we' want to com

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/18/07, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Every conscious perspective within the UD could be said to have some > statistical measure in relation to other conscious perspectives. > Which is to say, some experiences occur with a greater frequency than > others. However, I am wondering if any use