Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/21/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unconscious factors affecting our sense of continuity of identity must > > do it through affecting conscious factors. > > That would follow if we were always conscious of our sense of continuity > of identity, but I don't think we are. I ma

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 3/19/07, *Brent Meeker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > > > On 3/19/07, *Brent Meeker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 06-mars-07, à 09:44, Mark Peaty a écrit : > >> >> Thank you Bruno! >> >> You and Russell between you have managed to strike some sparks of >> illumination from the rocky inside of my skull. There is no beacon fire >> to report but I start to get a glimmering of why yo

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-20 Thread Brent Meeker
John M wrote: > Glad to have misread your "consiousness" as being "not unconscious". I > agree with you even in the 'life' part, except that I consider that darn > elusive 'consciousness' still "on", when you sleep or are anesthesized. > "You" (whatever it is) are still "responding to the info

Re: Believing ...

2007-03-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 01-mars-07, à 00:35, Brent Meeker a écrit : > >> Brent Meeker quoted: >> "Atheism is a belief system the way "Off" is a TV channel." >> --- George Carlin > > > > Carlin makes the typical confusion between atheism and agnosticism. > > An atheist has indeed a r

Re: String theory and Cellular Automata

2007-03-20 Thread John M
Bruno: thanks for the info. Very educational (although I skip reading Christof's entire text). From your excerpt: I have a "2nd question": how about "waves"? they must be made of the same 'stuff' as the 'strings', maybe in a lesser number of dimensions. And let me skip my retrograde series of

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-mars-07, à 19:38, Brent Meeker a écrit : > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Le 13-mars-07, à 05:03, Brent Meeker a écrit : >> >>> But there is no reason to believe there is any "root" cause that is >>> deeper than variation with natural selection. You have not presented >>> any argument for t

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-mars-07, à 17:15, David Nyman a écrit : > Yes, in that it makes sense to argue (from a 'contingentist' > perspective) that the justification for 'primeness' (or indeed any > other concept) derives ultimately from persistent aspects of > contingent states of affairs (in this case a degree o

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-mars-07, à 01:38, David Nyman a écrit : > On Mar 14, 10:18 pm, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Perhaps using the term "existence" for mathematical objects is >> misleading. >> It doesn't mean they exist as separate objects in the real world, >> just that >> they ex

Re: String theory and Cellular Automata

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
You could be interested by a paper introducing String theory as a syntactical logical structure by the "other Schmidhuber" (Juergen's brother Christof): Here: http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0011065 What are strings made of? The possibility is discussed that strings are purely mathematical obj

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-mars-07, à 09:44, Mark Peaty a écrit : > > > Thank you Bruno! > > You and Russell between you have managed to strike some sparks of > illumination from the rocky inside of my skull. There is no beacon fire > to report but I start to get a glimmering of why you want to *assume* > comp and s

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-20 Thread John M
Glad to have misread your "consiousness" as being "not unconscious". I agree with you even in the 'life' part, except that I consider that darn elusive 'consciousness' still "on", when you sleep or are anesthesized. "You" (whatever it is) are still "responding to the information you get: you wa

Re: Believing ...

2007-03-20 Thread John M
Bruno, a different reflection from Stathis's, but similarly not a counter-argument First off: George Carlin is a comedian and his humorous remarks are not subject to be discussed in a serious argumentation. I like him - at least the "old" Carlin. * to your #1: :your" atheist has got to belie

Re: Believing ...

2007-03-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/20/07, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Le 01-mars-07, à 00:35, Brent Meeker a écrit : > > > Brent Meeker quoted: > > "Atheism is a belief system the way "Off" is a TV channel." > > --- George Carlin > > > > Carlin makes the typical confusion between atheism and agnostici

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-mars-07, à 07:44, Mohsen Ravanbakhsh a écrit : > > Thank you for welcoming me Mark, > I agree with you about the problem with the concept of entropy, but > not all your points. Actually I like this hypothesis, and as Bruno put > it we might be able to describe the Why question about physi

Re: Believing ...

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-mars-07, à 00:35, Brent Meeker a écrit : > Brent Meeker quoted: > "Atheism is a belief system the way "Off" is a TV channel." > --- George Carlin Carlin makes the typical confusion between atheism and agnosticism. An atheist has indeed a rich belief system: 1) he believes that Go