On Jun 15, 1:13 am, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What do we lose if we say that it is organisation which is
> intrinsically capable of sense-action, but it takes a substantial amount of
> organisation of the right sort to in order to give rise to consciousness?
> This drops th
On 15/06/07, David Nyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jun 14, 4:46 am, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Of course all that is true, but it doesn't explain why neurons in the
> cortex
> > are the ones giving rise to qualia rather than other neurons or indeed
> > peripher
On Jun 14, 4:46 am, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course all that is true, but it doesn't explain why neurons in the cortex
> are the ones giving rise to qualia rather than other neurons or indeed
> peripheral sense organs.
Well, you might as well ask why the engine drive
Colin and partners:
To the subject question: how do you know your own conscious state? (It all
comes back to my 'ceterum censeo': what are we talking about as
'consciousness'? -
if there is a concensus-ready definition for open-minded use at all).
And a 2nd question: May I ask: what is 'novelty'?
On Thursday 14 June 2007 15:08:15 Torgny Tholerus wrote:
> Quentin Anciaux skrev:
> > 2007/6/14, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> If a rock shows the same behavior as a human being, then you should be
> >> able to use the same words ("know", believe", "think") to describe this
> >> behavi
On Jun 14, 2:08 pm, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If the rock does *not* know anything, *but* the rock behaves as if it
> knows it, then it is reasonable to say that "the rock knows it".
Ah, but of course it is *not* reasonable to say this. You account is
an 'action-only' account
Quentin Anciaux skrev:
> 2007/6/14, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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>> If a rock shows the same behavior as a human being, then you should be able
>> to use the same words ("know", believe", "think") to describe this
>> behaviour.
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> If the rock know something and it behaves like
On Jun 14, 12:19 pm, "Quentin Anciaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure but I still don't understand what could mean 'to know', 'to
> believe' for an entity which is not conscious. Also if you're not
> conscious, there is no 'me', no 'I', so there exists no 'person like
> you' because then you'r
2007/6/14, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> Quentin Anciaux skrev:
> 2007/6/14, Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> On 14/06/07, Quentin Anciaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Sure but I still don't understand what could mean 'to know', 'to
> believe' for an entity which is
Quentin Anciaux skrev:
2007/6/14, Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On 14/06/07, Quentin Anciaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sure but I still don't understand what could mean 'to know', 'to
believe' for an entity which is not conscious. Also if you're not
consciou
On Jun 14, 3:47 am, Colin Hales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 4) Belief in 'magical emergence' qualitative novelty of a kind
> utterly unrelated to the componentry.
Hi Colin
I think there's a link here with the dialogue in the 'Asifism' thread
between Bruno and me. I've been reading Galen S
2007/6/14, Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> On 14/06/07, Quentin Anciaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > "Eliminativist" is not a good term for persons like me, because that
> term
> > > implies that you are eliminating an important part of reality. But you
> > > can't elimina
On 14/06/07, Quentin Anciaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Eliminativist" is not a good term for persons like me, because that
> term
> > implies that you are eliminating an important part of reality. But you
> > can't eliminate something that does not exists. If you don't believe in
> > gho
2007/6/14, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> Bruno Marchal skrev:
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> Le 07-juin-07, à 15:47, Torgny Tholerus a écrit :
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> What is the philosophical term for persons like me, that totally deny the
> existence of the consciousness?
> An eliminativist.
> "Eliminativist" is not a good term
Bruno Marchal skrev:
Le 07-juin-07, à 15:47, Torgny Tholerus a écrit :
What is the philosophical term for persons like me, that
totally deny
the existence of the consciousness?
An eliminativist.
"Eliminativist" is not a good term for persons like me, because that
term implies that
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