Re: against UD+ASSA, part 1

2007-09-27 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 12:06:42PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > OK, new thought experiement. ;) > > Barring a global disaster which wiped out all of the humanity or its > descendents, there would exist massively more observers in the future > than currently exist. > But you (as an observ

Re: Conscious States vs. Conscious Computations

2007-09-27 Thread John Mikes
Youness, your initial remark touches a valid point. I would go a bit further, even further than Hal's reply which still addressed the topical map within the Jason-idea - and deeper into Jason's well crafted position and considerations in computer science thinking. * Remember, when the human mind wa

Re: Conscious States vs. Conscious Computations

2007-09-27 Thread Youness Ayaita
Jason, let me split your ideas into two problems. The first problem is to understand why and how observers interpret data in a meaningful way despite of the fact that the data has no unique meaning within itself. On 26 Sep., 21:09, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A given piece of data can rep

Re: against UD+ASSA, part 1

2007-09-27 Thread marc . geddes
On Sep 27, 2:15 pm, "Wei Dai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes. So my point is, even though the subjective probability computed by ASSA > is intuitively appealing, we end up ignoring it, so why bother? We can > always make the right choices by thinking directly about measures of > outcomes an

Re: No(-)Justification Justifies The Everything Ensemble

2007-09-27 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 05:24:33PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > Of course. But I also put Darwinian evolution up there with that > > (variation/selection is a powerful theory). > > > > > This to vague for me. I have no (big) conceptual problem with Darwinian > Evolution, but this i

Re: against UD+ASSA, part 1

2007-09-27 Thread Youness Ayaita
On 26 Sep., 14:39, "Wei Dai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ASSA implies that just before you answer, you should think that you have > 0.91 probability of being in the universe with "0" up. Does that mean you > should guess "yes"? Well, I wouldn't. If I was in that situation, I'd think > "If I answe