On 06 Jun 2008, at 23:35, Tom Caylor wrote:
> I guess I could see that it could be consistent that from each of our > perspectives eventually we are the only one left in the mulitverse, if > we were all cut-off from each other, essentially in separate universes > or histories. But with all of the appealing aspects (that have been > brought up in many contexts by many people in history) of an ontology > based on relations rather than substance, I would think that a > multiverse that ends in isolation would be a rather disappointing > (seemingly contrary) conclusion of that ontology. Plus, I certainly > wouldn't want to "live" like that. And I'd even argue that from a > relational ontology perspective that would be equivalent to non- > existence. How about an immortal life in relation to other persons? Immortality itself is different from the third and first person points of view; I cannot tell. It could be that 1-immortality requires some fusion, or merging, of all persons. This makes you "out of time and out of space" at the "moment" before you made up singular personal history. I have to introspect myself more deeply, or study S4Grz and its aritmetical semantics for a much longer time ... You ask a difficult question. But I don't think we separate, such that each of us converge toward solipsistic very long histories, we forget and merge histories too. (all this assuming comp ...) > One consistent configuration is that we are all immortal and that part > of this immortal being is something that is outside of what we can > observe scientifically, including other persons' deaths. I am with you. But we can address scientifically the question "does self-introspecting machine refer correctly to something they can recognize as being something they cannot observe in a third person communicable (scientific, objective) way and yet still *know* that they can make the experience of it (for example through prays, reflexion, meditation, 1-self-introspection, starvation, accidents, drugs, or some other (hopefully) genuine 3-self-manipulations, ...)? Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
