Re: Intelligence, Aesthetics and Bayesianism: Game over!

2008-08-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Tom, Nice. I see beauty in the Mandelbrot set. However, there seems to be a lot of deja vu, similar repetition on a theme. Right. But full of subtle variations. It is all normal to have a lot of deja vu when you make a journey across a multiverse ... I have never been able to

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread 1Z
On 13 Aug, 00:03, Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, but One Universe (or at least, non-MMW) methodology does not claim or pretend or wish to have 0 axioms. I aims for an ontologically parsimonious explanation that matches the evidence.

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 13 Aug, 00:03, Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, but One Universe (or at least, non-MMW) methodology does not claim or pretend or wish to have 0 axioms. I aims for an ontologically parsimonious

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread 1Z
On 13 Aug, 18:58, Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 13 Aug, 00:03, Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, but One Universe (or at least, non-MMW) methodology does not claim or pretend or

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then you had better say what the problem is. Why one ? The universe is all there is. How could you have more than one all- there-is? Well you're playing with the word here. It's hand waving. I am not saying there is one universe. I am saying there is

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread 1Z
On 13 Aug, 20:38, Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then you had better say what the problem is. Why one ? The universe is all there is. How could you have more than one all- there-is? Well you're playing with the word here. It's hand

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sure, why one then ? It would be the smallest number that fits the facts. Which facts ? it is not simpler on the entity version of O's R, and it does not fit the evidence because of the WR problem. Yes but I see 'real switch' problem as equally

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread 1Z
On 13 Aug, 21:05, Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sure, why one then ? It would be the smallest number that fits the facts. Which facts ? The observed ones. it is not simpler on the entity version of O's R, and it does not fit the

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
When the universe will end is '17 is prime' still true ? Me winning the lotery is a WR event... I play lotery, I do not win therefore no one wins... It's basically your argument about WR. 2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 13 Aug, 21:05, Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/13

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread 1Z
On 13 Aug, 21:47, Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the universe will end is '17 is prime' still true ? Me winning the lotery is a WR event... I play lotery, I do not win therefore no one wins... It's basically your argument about WR. 2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 13

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2008/8/13 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... No you devise this in 2 parts, I think only the abstract world is ontologically primary. That is your conclusions. You cannot assume it in order to argue for it. I do not assume them. Then you need some other way of getting your

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2008/8/13 Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've been following this back-and-forth with interest. The above leads to an interesting question which I will raise after a couple of background points. First, I don't think a conscious AI can exist independent of some environment of which it is

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2008/8/13 Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've been following this back-and-forth with interest. The above leads to an interesting question which I will raise after a couple of background points. First, I don't think a conscious AI can exist independent of some