Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/2/24 Brent Meeker : > I tend to agree with Quentin that memories are an essential component of > personal identity. But that also raises a problem with ideas like > "observer moments" and "continuity". Almost all my memories are not > being remembered at an given time. Some I may not reca

Re: Personal Identity and Ethics

2009-02-23 Thread John Mikes
Stathis: two questions. 1. Why are you breaking your head HOW to copy something we don't believe 'exists' at all? If it aint, don't copy it. Copy what? 2. Are *you* "most of the matter" in your "body"(??) or is there something more to it? This is exactly my point: if SOMEBODY SOMEHOW is indeed co

AUDA (was David Shoemaker, Personal Identity)

2009-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Feb 2009, at 02:21, Günther Greindl wrote: > > Hi Stathis, Bruno, List, > >>> the copy can be you in deeper and deeper senses (roughly speaking up >>> to the unspeakable "you = ONE"). >>> I talk here on the first person "you". It is infinite and >>> unnameable. >>> Here computer science

Re: Personal Identity and Memory

2009-02-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, - Original Message - From: "Brent Meeker" To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Personal Identity and Memory [was Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction] > > Stephen Paul King wrote: snip >> Hi Brent and Quentin, >>

Re: Copying?

2009-02-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Jonathan, Brent and Stathis, - Original Message - From: "Brent Meeker" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:02 AM Subject: Re: Copying? > > Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> But the brain changes from moment to moment due to chemical reactions >> and thermal motion and we still

Re: Personal Identity and Memory [was Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-23 Thread Brent Meeker
Stephen Paul King wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Brent Meeker" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A > Brief Introduction] > > > >> Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> If the "copy" has no m

Re: Personal Identity and Memory [was Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
- Original Message - From: "Brent Meeker" To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction] > > Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> If the "copy" has no memory of being me then It's not me... or you >>

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-23 Thread Brent Meeker
Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > 2009/2/23 Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> > > > > The copy could be you in the deeper sense that it could be you even in > the case where he loses some memory, all memories, or in case he got > new memories, including false souvenirs. But then it i

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2009/2/23 Bruno Marchal > > > The copy could be you in the deeper sense that it could be you even in > the case where he loses some memory, all memories, or in case he got > new memories, including false souvenirs. But then it is like in the > movie "the prestige", your brother can be you. This p

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Feb 2009, at 00:39, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > 2009/2/23 Bruno Marchal : > >> From a logical point of view Shoemaker is right. You can say "no" for >> many reasons to the doctor. >> The copy will not even behave as you. >> The copy will behave like you, but is a phi-zombie. >> The copy

random thoughts

2009-02-23 Thread ronaldheld
Perhaps this paper would be of interest: Deterministic multivalued logic scheme for information processing and routing in the brain(arxiv.org/abs/0902.2033)? Speaking of logic, even though I am not starting from zero,and given that it is not my full time profession, which papers/book should be rea

Re: AUDA Page

2009-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Günther, Le 22-févr.-09, à 23:16, Günther Greindl a écrit : > will incorporate your changes as soon as time permits :-) Take all your time. I am myself rather busy. But thanks for telling me. Actually I take this AUDA page as an opportunity for thinking about the best books on Gödel's inco