Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started

2009-03-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi m.a., hi Colin, On 06 Mar 2009, at 05:07, m.a. wrote: Bruno, I've often wondered why neither Dr. Deutsch nor Alan Forrester has commented on your theory of UDA and AUDA. I certainly would be interested in their views. A theory that has execised some of the best minds on

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/3/6 Jack Mallah jackmal...@yahoo.com wrote: If you're not worried about the fair trade, then to be consistent you shouldn't be worried about the unfair trade either. In the fair trade, one version of you A disappears overnight, and a new version of you B is created elsewhere in the

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread rmiller
At 07:31 AM 3/6/2009, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/3/6 Jack Mallah jackmal...@yahoo.com wrote: If you're not worried about the fair trade, then to be consistent you shouldn't be worried about the unfair trade either. In the fair trade, one version of you A disappears overnight, and

Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started

2009-03-06 Thread Günther Greindl
Hi Colin, the problem is that while the _ideal_ of science is rationality, it is not yet fully institutionalized (can it ever be?) and people still harbor a lot of irrationality personally (scientists often have the strangest beliefs outside their speciality

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/3/6 Jack Mallah jackmal...@yahoo.com wrote: If you're not worried about the fair trade, then to be consistent you shouldn't be worried about the unfair trade either. In the fair trade, one version of you A disappears overnight, and a new version of you B is

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Günther Greindl
Which I? Aren't you concerned that you would press the button - and vanish? Brent The psychological continuer - the one who remembers having pressed the button but with +5 dollars on his account. @Stathis: would you really do this (press the button, also in the absoute measure scenario)?

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-06 Thread Günther Greindl
Bruno, My idea was rather that the instantiations would not correspond to numbers in the first place But that would violate the comp assumption. No, you still misunderstand me ;-) not correspond in the sense of non-existing, not in the sense of existing but not number. - that is why the

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-06 Thread Günther Greindl
Hi Bruno, With COMP it is not so clear. explicit appeal to self-consistency (= the move from Bp to Bp Dt; the Dt suppresses the cul-de-sac). With comp, to believe in a next instant or in a successor state is already based on an act of faith. Please bear in mind that I have not yet

The Seventh Step 2 (Numbers and Sets: facultary!)

2009-03-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kim, hi John, hi People, Kim provided me with an excellent answer to my preceding post (out-of- line though). And John told me he was impatient to see my definition of the natural numbers (and some other numbers) in term of sets. So I make a try. Nothing is important here for the sequel,

Re: The Seventh Step 2 (Numbers and Sets: facultary!)

2009-03-06 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, this is my reply to your SeventhStep-2 post. Still not clear; Axiom 1 says I is 'a' number, - OK. Axiom 2 sais x which I understand is general for any number. So xI is not different from II. The example: (say) I is 2, x=3, xI=32 and your 'II' is not 'a' number, but two numbers

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Wei Dai
No. First, I don't agree that the real question is what the utility function is or should be. The real question is whether the measure, M, is conserved or whether it decreases. It's just that a lot of people don't understand what that means. I agree that a lot of people don't

Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started

2009-03-06 Thread Kim Jones
On 06/03/2009, at 11:24 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: - Neither physicists nor logicians really knows about the mind-body problem. So it is easy to make someone interested in consciousness looking crazy: just say: this guy is interested on consciousness (with a grin). Why does some

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/3/7 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: I don't agree with the way you calculate utility at all. If I got $5 every time I pressed a button which decreased my absolute measure in the multiverse a millionfold I would happily press the button all day. Which I?  Aren't you concerned that