Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread Brent Meeker
In "quantum eraser" experiments the erasure is done by making the measured value ambiguous, e.g. by making a different measurement which does not commute with the one to be erased. In terms of MWI this has the effect or recohering (or more accurately, not decohering) the branches rather than

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread russell standish
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 07:06:06PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: > > No need to do it. Even more telling experiments have already been done in > which > the "measurement" was just the unrecorded IR radiation from buckyballs. > Buckyballs which were sufficiently cold showed the 2-slit interferenc

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, But does not MWI imply that if we could somehow erase all (retrivable!) records of a measurement, that we would - in effect - be culling that branch from the Tree? - Original Message - From: "Brent Meeker" To: Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: Re: Changi

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread Brent Meeker
russell standish wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:06:42AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: >> Saibal Mitra wrote: >>> If we consider measuring the spin of a particle, you could also say that the >>> two possible outcomes just exist and thatthere are two possible future >>> versions of me. There is no

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread russell standish
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:06:42AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: > > Saibal Mitra wrote: > > If we consider measuring the spin of a particle, you could also say that the > > two possible outcomes just exist and thatthere are two possible future > > versions of me. There is no meaningful way to assoc

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread rmiller
At 06:20 PM 3/15/2009, George Levy wrote: >I agree with Anna. In addition, it all depends on where you define >the boundary of the self. Just the brain? Brain + body? Brain + body >+ immediate surrounding (prescription glasses being worn, automobile >being driven, binoculars or computer being us

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread George Levy
I agree with Anna. In addition, it all depends on where you define the boundary of the self. Just the brain? Brain + body? Brain + body + immediate surrounding (prescription glasses being worn, automobile being driven, binoculars or computer being used) ? Brain + body + Whole causally connected

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread George Levy
I agree with Anna. In addition, it all depends on where you define the boundary of the self. Just the brain? Brain + body? Brain + body + immediate surrounding (prescription glasses being worn, automobile being driven, binoculars or computer being used) ? Brain + body + Whole causally connected

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread A. Wolf
> what nonzero probability implies, you'd have a hard time showing that > anything non-contradictory at all has a nonzero probability of being true. Er, I typed too quickly. I mean you'd have a hard time of showing that anything non-contradictory has zero probability. Anything that isn't mat

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread A. Wolf
> Thanks! This is like undoing historical events. If you forget about the > fact that dinosaurs ever lived on Earth and there is an alternative > history > that led to your existence in the multiverse, and you do the memory > erasure > also in sectors were dinosaurs never lived, you have some n

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Günther, > > Hi Bruno, > > thanks for your interesting answer, I have some questions though. > >> course, as I said, this will depend of what you mean by "you". In >> case >> you accept the idea of surviving with amnesia, you can even get to a >> state where you "know" you are immortal, bec

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread Brent Meeker
Saibal Mitra wrote: > If we consider measuring the spin of a particle, you could also say that the > two possible outcomes just exist and thatthere are two possible future > versions of me. There is no meaningful way to associate myself with either > of the two outcomes. > > But then, precisely t

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread Saibal Mitra
If we consider measuring the spin of a particle, you could also say that the two possible outcomes just exist and thatthere are two possible future versions of me. There is no meaningful way to associate myself with either of the two outcomes. But then, precisely this implies that after a measure

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-15 Thread Saibal Mitra
Thanks! This is like undoing historical events. If you forget about the fact that dinosaurs ever lived on Earth and there is an alternative history that led to your existence in the multiverse, and you do the memory erasure also in sectors were dinosaurs never lived, you have some nonzero probabi