Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Rex Allen wrote: Brent, So my first draft addressed many of the points you made, but it that email got too big and sprawling I thought. So I've focused on what seems to me like the key passage from your post. If you think there was some other point that I should have addressed, let me

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Torgny Tholerus
Rex Allen skrev: Brent, So my first draft addressed many of the points you made, but it that email got too big and sprawling I thought. So I've focused on what seems to me like the key passage from your post. If you think there was some other point that I should have addressed, let me

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi, Ma connection at home is no functioning. So I am temporarily disconnected. I hope I will be able to solve that problem. I am sending here some little comments from my office. I include some more material for Kim and Marty, and others, just to think about, in case I remain disconnected for

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Torgny Tholerus
Bruno Marchal skrev: Le 22-juil.-09, à 10:27, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : Rex Allen skrev: Brent: Do these mathematical objects really exist? I'd say they have logico-mathematical existence, not the same existence as tables and

Re: The seven step series

2009-07-22 Thread m.a.
Hi Brent, I really appreciate the help and I hate to impose on your patience but...(see below) - Original Message - From: Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: Re: The seven step series

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Ma connection at home is again functioning. I am happy to have solved the problem rather quickly. On 22 Jul 2009, at 13:54, David Nyman wrote: 2009/7/22 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: Ma connection at home is no functioning. As a linguistic aside, Bruno has cleverly expressed the

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Jul 2009, at 14:12, Torgny Tholerus wrote: The most general form of existence is: All mathematical possible universes exist. Our universe is one of those mathematical possible existing universes. This is non sense. Proof: see UDA. Or interrupt me when you have an

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread David Nyman
2009/7/19 Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com: In your view, Bruno (or David, or anyone else who has an opinion), what kinds of things actually exist? What does it mean to say that something exists? This is naturally the $64k question for this list - or any other, for that matter (pun

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread David Nyman
On 22 July, 16:01, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Ma connection at home is again functioning. I am happy to have solved   the problem rather quickly. On 22 Jul 2009, at 13:54, David Nyman wrote: 2009/7/22 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: You thought you could make fun of the

Re: The seven step series

2009-07-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Marty, Brent wrote: On 21 Jul 2009, at 23:24, Brent Meeker wrote: Take all strings of length 2 00 01 10 11 Make two copies of each 00 00 01 01 10 10 11 11 Add a 0 to the first and a 1 to the second 000001

Re: The seven step series

2009-07-22 Thread Brent Meeker
m.a. wrote: Hi Brent, I really appreciate the help and I hate to impose on your patience but...(see below) - Original Message - From: Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com mailto:meeke...@dslextreme.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Jul 2009, at 17:56, David Nyman wrote: 2009/7/19 Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com: In your view, Bruno (or David, or anyone else who has an opinion), what kinds of things actually exist? What does it mean to say that something exists? This is naturally the $64k question for this

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread David Nyman
2009/7/22 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: explanatory redundancy. Hence I'm a monist (or a non-dualist) who - given the singular incorrigibility of first-person 'experiential reality' - concludes that though whatever underlies remains forever *unknowable* it must nonetheless perforce be

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Brent Meeker
David Nyman wrote: 2009/7/22 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: explanatory redundancy. Hence I'm a monist (or a non-dualist) who - given the singular incorrigibility of first-person 'experiential reality' - concludes that though whatever underlies remains forever *unknowable* it must

Re: The seven step series

2009-07-22 Thread m.a.
Going a step further... (see below) - Original Message - From: Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: Re: The seven step series m.a. wrote: Hi Brent, I really appreciate the help

Re: Seven Step Series

2009-07-22 Thread m.a.
Bruno, See desperate questions below. marty a. - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Dreams and

Re: The seven step series

2009-07-22 Thread Brent Meeker
m.a. wrote: *Going a step further... (see below)* ** - Original Message - From: Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com mailto:meeke...@dslextreme.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: Re:

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Brent Meeker
David Nyman wrote: 2009/7/23 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: If I understand you correctly, this is similar to the explication of I by Thomas Metzinger in his book The Ego Tunnel. He expresses it as the self being transparent. We look *through* it but not *at* it, and necessarily

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Brian Tenneson
Hi Brent, You are asserting monism. But the One, the ur-stuff, is ineffable/unknowable. So when we place ourselves in the world it is by making distinctions within the unity. To become distinct from the background (the One) is what it means to be RITSIAR. Right? Brent How do

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Brent Meeker
Brian Tenneson wrote: Hi Brent, You are asserting monism. But the One, the ur-stuff, is ineffable/unknowable. So when we place ourselves in the world it is by making distinctions within the unity. To become distinct from the background (the One) is what it means to be RITSIAR.

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-07-22 Thread Brian Tenneson
Brent Meeker wrote: Brian Tenneson wrote: Hi Brent, You are asserting monism. But the One, the ur-stuff, is ineffable/unknowable. So when we place ourselves in the world it is by making distinctions within the unity. To become distinct from the background (the One) is what