Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2009, at 04:37, Colin Hales wrote: > Man this is a tin of worms! I have just done a 30 page detailed > refutation of computationalism. > It's going through peer review at the moment. > > The basic problem that most people fall foul of is the conflation of > 'physics-as-computation'

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, it seems you start with the assumptions that an AI can't do science as humans... to conclude just that. Regards, Quentin 2009/8/6 Colin Hales : > Man this is a tin of worms! I have just done a 30 page detailed refutation > of computationalism. > It's going through peer review at the moment.

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-05 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Hales wrote: > Man this is a tin of worms! I have just done a 30 page detailed > refutation of computationalism. > It's going through peer review at the moment. > > The basic problem that most people fall foul of is the conflation of > 'physics-as-computation' with the type of computation

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-05 Thread Colin Hales
Man this is a tin of worms! I have just done a 30 page detailed refutation of computationalism. It's going through peer review at the moment. The basic problem that most people fall foul of is the conflation of 'physics-as-computation' with the type of computation that is being carried out in a

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-05 Thread 1Z
On 31 July, 22:39, David Nyman wrote: > I note that the recent posts by Peter Jones - aka the mysterious 1Z, > and the originator of the curiously useful 'real in the sense I am > real' or RITSIAR - occurred shortly after my taking his name in vain. > Hmm... > > Anyway, this signalled the r

Re: The seven step series

2009-08-05 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, just to take off some mal-deserved feathers: I think Theaetetus has two different 'e' sounds one after the other (anybody can pronounce him better?) and in Hungarian we have them (' e ' like in 'have' and e' like in 'take') with a 3rd variation where the accent is not applied: a closed and a

Re: The seven step series

2009-08-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Mirek, On 05 Aug 2009, at 00:52, Mirek Dobsicek wrote: > I've ordered the dialogue from a second-hand book shop :-) The > Stanford > encyclopedia says > "Arguably, it is his (Plato) greatest work on anything." > So I'll give it a try :-) I love that book, and it is also my favorite piece