Re: The Irrationality of Physicalism

2010-07-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Jul 2010, at 05:51, Allen Rex wrote: The thesis posited by the book(*) is a bigger problem for Bruno's theory that mine. (*)c.f. The Evolution of Reason by William S. Cooper. Are you saying that the book provides evidences that we are not Turing emulable? Or that the prime

RE: Civilization-level quantum suicide

2010-07-18 Thread Jesse Mazer
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:10:23 -0700 Subject: RE: Civilization-level quantum suicide From: her...@acm.org To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Mark, if you're not kidding here I honestly think you may be experiencing some kind of mental disorder, perhaps a manic state (good

Re: The Irrationality of Physicalism

2010-07-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/18/2010 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Jul 2010, at 05:51, Allen Rex wrote: The thesis posited by the book(*) is a bigger problem for Bruno's theory that mine. (*)c.f. The Evolution of Reason by William S. Cooper. Are you saying that the book provides evidences that we are

RE: Civilization-level quantum suicide

2010-07-18 Thread Mark Buda
Well, it's impossible to know what's going on with you based on a few email messages but it definitely sounds like it could be a manic state to me--this sort of grandiosity and boundless confidence in one's own abilities and powers is common in mania. Of course it is. But note that I'm not

Re: Civilization-level quantum suicide

2010-07-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Well... Did Gene Ray died the other night as you predicted ? No, then go consult. Simple as that. Regards, Quentin 2010/7/18 Mark Buda her...@acm.org Well, it's impossible to know what's going on with you based on a few email messages but it definitely sounds like it could be a manic

Re: Civilization-level quantum suicide

2010-07-18 Thread Mark Buda
Did Gene Ray died the other night as you predicted ? No, then go consult. Simple as that. I don't know whether he died or not. Google doesn't seem to know either. Since none of you seem interested in helping me (and I don't blame you, but it was worth a shot) I'm going to send him an email

Re: Civilization-level quantum suicide

2010-07-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
Jesse, Mark, On 18 Jul 2010, at 17:20, Jesse Mazer wrote: Well, it's impossible to know what's going on with you based on a few email messages but it definitely sounds like it could be a manic state to me--this sort of grandiosity and boundless confidence in one's own abilities and

Re: The Irrationality of Physicalism

2010-07-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Jul 2010, at 17:38, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/18/2010 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Jul 2010, at 05:51, Allen Rex wrote: The thesis posited by the book(*) is a bigger problem for Bruno's theory that mine. (*)c.f. The Evolution of Reason by William S. Cooper. Are you

Re: Civilization-level quantum suicide

2010-07-18 Thread Mark Buda
Mark, we may be wrong, but none of what you said makes very much sense for us. Some things you said may make sense, but seems to me humanly communicable only through math, fiction, art, poetry, ... and stands always very far away from any literal certainty. I know it doesn't make sense. I

Re: The Irrationality of Physicalism

2010-07-18 Thread Mark Buda
On 18 Jul 2010, at 17:38, Brent Meeker wrote: Unless the W. Cooper's book refutes the movie graph argument, for example by justifying Jack Mallah's claim that consciousness stop supervening physically on a machine in case a physical piece of the machine, which is supposed to have no physical

Re: Civilization-level quantum suicide

2010-07-18 Thread Andrew Hickey
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Mark Buda her...@acm.org wrote: Get it? Good grief, even if the stuff I'm saying taken as a whole doesn't make sense, at least focus on one piece at a time and you will agree that I'm making perfect sense. Mark, seriously, you're not. I worked on a psychiatric

Re: Civilization-level quantum suicide

2010-07-18 Thread Mark Buda
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Mark Buda her...@acm.org wrote: Get it? Good grief, even if the stuff I'm saying taken as a whole doesn't make sense, at least focus on one piece at a time and you will agree that I'm making perfect sense. Mark, seriously, you're not. I worked on a

Re: Civilization-level quantum suicide

2010-07-18 Thread Andrew Hickey
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Mark Buda her...@acm.org wrote: You worked on a psychiatric ward but you never understood them. If you had taken the time to interact with them, one on one, and share their lives and hopes and dreams, you would have been able to help them figure it out. That

Re: Civilization-level quantum suicide

2010-07-18 Thread Mark Buda
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Mark Buda her...@acm.org wrote: You worked on a psychiatric ward but you never understood them. If you had taken the time to interact with them, one on one, and share their lives and hopes and dreams, you would have been able to help them figure it out.

Re: The Irrationality of Physicalism

2010-07-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/18/2010 1:38 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2010, at 17:38, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/18/2010 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Jul 2010, at 05:51, Allen Rex wrote: The thesis posited by the book(*) is a bigger problem for Bruno's theory that mine. (*)c.f. The Evolution of