Re: Maudlin & How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-01-31 Thread Colin Hales
Hi Bruno, I have been pondering this issue a bit and I am intrigued about how you regard the problem space we inhabit. When you say things like ... "Are you aware that If comp is true, that is if I am a machine ..." I cannot fathom how you ever get to this point. This is a presupposition tha

Re: A comment on Mauldin's paper “Computation and Consciousness”

2011-01-31 Thread Brent Meeker
Note that the kind of entanglement you're talking about is the same as randomness. Bohm's version of QM makes this explicit. There's a deterministic wave function of the universe so that everything effects everything else instantaneously (which is why there's no good Bohmian version of QFT) a

Re: A comment on Mauldin's paper “Computation and Consciousness”

2011-01-31 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi David, You just happened to mention the 800kg Gorilla in the room! While we can rattle off a sophisticated narrative about decoherence effects and quote from some Tegmark paper, the fact remains that entanglement is real and while we can argue that its effects could be minimized, we cann

Re: A comment on Mauldin's paper “Computation and Consciousness”

2011-01-31 Thread David Shipman
On Jan 30, 4:13 pm, 1Z wrote: > On Jan 25, 9:04 am, "Stephen Paul King" wrote: >> > > Dear Bruno and Friends, >> >> While we are considering the idea of “causal efficacy” >> here and not hidden variable theories, the fact that it >> has been experimentally verified that Nature violates >> the pr

Re: Observers and Church/Turing

2011-01-31 Thread Travis Garrett
Hi Russell, No problem at all - I myself confess to having skimmed papers in the past, perhaps even in the last 5 minutes... That I took a bit of umbrage just shows that I haven't yet transcended into a being of pure thought :-) Let me address your 3rd paragraph first. Consider the stateme

Re: Observers and Church/Turing

2011-01-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Jan 2011, at 12:44, Andrew Soltau wrote: On 27/01/11 17:44, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2011, at 18:24, Andrew Soltau wrote: On 24/01/11 21:35, Bruno Marchal wrote: Thanks for all this. I will do some reading and then go through the points again. And get back to you. You are w

Re: Observers and Church/Turing

2011-01-31 Thread Andrew Soltau
On 27/01/11 17:44, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2011, at 18:24, Andrew Soltau wrote: On 24/01/11 21:35, Bruno Marchal wrote: Thanks for all this. I will do some reading and then go through the points again. And get back to you. You are welcome. Ask any question. Bruno http://iridia.