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Subject: Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Colin Geoffrey Hales
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"What do you believe in then? I thought it was the phenomenal world, but
the above sounds like immaterialism or solipsism."
I am neither a immaterialist nor a solipsist... don't try to conveniently
label me. I wouldn't call myself a phenomenalist per se. but if anything
I highly value the hum
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:11 AM, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
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so you see you are deluding yourself if you think you are apprehending
anything you could call a "whole earth" there is no such thing you are
apprehending nothing but your prejudicial delusion.
You may say it exists "in principal" but I would go on to ask you how
you know that and how
Friends:
Lots of *mouse*-traps written in this and
other*posts/preposts/repost/superposts/etc.
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God? Truth? Reality? even: 'physical world' - goes on and on. Our thoughts
(human)? imagination? experiential vs. experiential (Incl. Kim's French
explanation) are un-finishable qualms online. Bruno in
On 7/7/2011 12:11 AM, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
Hi,
You have missed the point. When you feel pain in your hand your are
feeling it because the physics of specific specialized small regions
of the cranial central nervous system are doing things. This includes
(1) action potentials mutually
On 07 Jul 2011, at 02:41, Richard Miller wrote:
All: Can someone please post a design for an experiment that will
test some
of these great theories? As long as the arguments remain
theoretical the
obvious limiters are semantics and math--and over the course of the
last 137
(!) messages we
On 07 Jul 2011, at 03:12, B Soroud wrote:
" If reality = a physical universe"
Personally, I don't believe that. Here is the catch, I don't believe
its antithesis or any alternative.
Well the idea is to search for a theory.
"My point is that if we assume mechanism"
Unfortunately, sinc
A great book (fiction) for wrapping your head around the weirder
consequences of comp is Greg Egan's Permutation City.
Terren
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> okay, let me see if I can try, If I have an affinity for it, If i find it
>> not boring, dry, trivial, far-fetche
John M when I read your writing I see how it is wise, in the
tradition of Nagarjuna to make no assertions at all otherwise you
get caught up in the contradictions, internal inconcistencies, ironies, and
absurdities your writing shows above.
I think Bruno is right to critique absolu
Yes, I think physics is a dead end. I think they know that.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:58 PM, B Soroud wrote:
> John M when I read your writing I see how it is wise, in the
> tradition of Nagarjuna to make no assertions at all otherwise you
> get caught up in the contradictions, in
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 10:12:45PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
> >One that happens to be incompatible with
> >theory that our minds are computer programs.
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> Can you explain that? It seems to be Bruno's central claim, but so
> far as I can see he only tries to prove that a physical reality is
> otios
On 7/7/2011 4:59 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 10:12:45PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
One that happens to be incompatible with
theory that our minds are computer programs.
Can you explain that? It seems to be Bruno's central claim, but so
far as I can see he only t
Bruno, you are an animal...
"So that you can in principle survive with another body, coming from the
first by local functional substitution. I coin this into saying "yes doctor"
to a surgeon proposing you an artifical digital brain."
What is local functional substitution? If I am not my brain, t
lol, I'm sure everyone has heard this too many times but it is one of
those things that most people seem to humbly agree about... and it still
sounds funny and interesting any thoughts?:
"something unknown is doing something unknown" (sir arthur edington)_
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:00 PM,
John M on second examination not bad. I need to look over
it again though and see if I can reply.
On Jul 7, 8:29 am, John Mikes wrote:
> Friends:
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> Lots of *mouse*-traps written in this and
> other*posts/preposts/repost/superposts/etc.
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> God? Truth? Reality? even: 'physical worl
Actually John, the more I read it the more I feel for it but some
seeming issues:
"there is an info-transfer into 'us' from the limitless complexity"
you say information-transfer, or we can rephrase it as information
processing or information reception etc. But I think "information" is
a met
Is metaphysics merely a notion that is the reversal or antithesis of
the world as we know it?
Instead of change: changelesness.
Instead of diversity or multiplicity: unity.
Instead of instability: stability
Instead of of birth and death: immortality.
Instead of complexity: simplicity.
Instead
in fact, religion/spirituality/mysticism/metaphysics may be nothing more
then the exact opposite of the truth.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:42 PM, B Soroud wrote:
> religion or metaphysics is the idealistic tradition that asserts that there
> is an ultimate reality that is the reverse opposite
religion or metaphysics is the idealistic tradition that asserts that there
is an ultimate reality that is the reverse opposite of our present reality.
Wishful thinking?
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On 7/7/2011 10:43 PM, B Soroud wrote:
in fact, religion/spirituality/mysticism/metaphysics may be
nothing more then the exact opposite of the truth.
Well then all we have to do is take it's negation and we'll have the
truth. :-)
Brent
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lol, you got me there.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:53 PM, meekerdb wrote:
> On 7/7/2011 10:43 PM, B Soroud wrote:
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>> in fact, religion/spirituality/**mysticism/metaphysics may be nothing
>> more then the exact opposite of the truth.
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> Well then all we have to do is take it's negation an
Is it possible that Bruno is a mutant that is somehow a fusion of
hyper-rationality and insanity?
Is Bruno a mad-scientist?
hehe.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:56 PM, B Soroud wrote:
> lol, you got me there.
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> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:53 PM, meekerdb wrote:
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>> On 7/7/2011 10:43 PM, B Soro
nothing has changed about the human condition and nothing will ever change!
indeed not in our generation or our great grandchildren's generation,
behold:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogue_of_Pessimism
there is nothing new under the sun!
Bruno's false optimism is exposed!
Bruno is refuted.
On
Hi,
You have missed the point. When you feel pain in your hand your are
feeling it because the physics of specific specialized small regions of
the cranial central nervous system are doing things.
Yes, they are passing signals back and forth, performing additions,
multiplications, and comp
Hi,
You have missed the point. When you feel pain in your hand your are
feeling it because the physics of specific specialized small regions of
the cranial central nervous system are doing things. This includes (1)
action potentials mutually resonating with (2) a gigantic EM field
system in ext
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