Re: How does comp explain the uncanny valley?

2011-12-30 Thread meekerdb
On 12/30/2011 4:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIuF5DcsbKU ‘The uncanny valley is a hypothesis in the field of robotics and 3D computer animation which holds that when human replicas look and act almost, but not perfectly, like actual human beings, it causes a respon

Re: Self-driving cars

2011-12-30 Thread meekerdb
On 12/30/2011 4:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Dec 2011, at 20:44, Charles Goodwin wrote: Hi Bruno What observable properties of black holes may be explained by the fact that they don't erase information? Black hole evaporation. I am thinking about some work by Hawking. Hawking's theo

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread meekerdb
On 12/30/2011 12:51 AM, Pierz wrote: On Dec 30, 6:35 pm, meekerdb wrote: On 12/29/2011 4:11 PM, Pierz wrote: You think it is ludicrous that a Mars Rover is programmed to monitor the state of its battery, the temperature of its motors, the amount of memory available for pictures, etc? Brent

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2011-12-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Dec 30, 3:41 pm, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > Are you arguing that there is no difference between dreams and reality? > > I am arguing that sometimes there is no way to tell the difference between > dreams and reality I don't think that's true that the

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread Pierz
On Dec 31, 4:36 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 30 Dec 2011, at 03:10, Pierz wrote: > > > This thread has been extremely helpful to me in terms of getting to > > the heart of this problem and the whole issue of supervenience - thank > > you Joseph for your clarification of the meaning of the term

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread Joseph Knight
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Which computation? I don't see any computation in the projection of the > computation-movie. The Boolean graph nodes are broken. The light patterns > is exactly the same, with the boolean graph turned, or not, upside down. > You argument

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2011-12-30 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 Craig Weinberg wrote: > Are you arguing that there is no difference between dreams and reality? > I am arguing that sometimes there is no way to tell the difference between dreams and reality and I am arguing that a good idea discovered while awake and the same idea discove

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2011-12-30 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.12.2011 04:33 meekerdb said the following: On 12/29/2011 5:29 PM, John Clark wrote: ... Yes, exactly like every other model of consciousness, not one has the slightest bit of experimental evidence in its favor, consciousness theories are all equally useless. So lets talk about intellige

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Dec 2011, at 16:18, David Nyman wrote: On 30 December 2011 12:07, Bruno Marchal wrote: What is a consciousness apart from its content? That's a good question. May be it is cosmic consciousness, or pure consciousness of pure consciousness, or perhaps the innate consciousness of the

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Dec 2011, at 03:10, Pierz wrote: This thread has been extremely helpful to me in terms of getting to the heart of this problem and the whole issue of supervenience - thank you Joseph for your clarification of the meaning of the term and for your succinct and clear summary of the MGA, and

Re: Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Dec 2011, at 02:53, Russell Standish wrote: Another thought I had whilst mowing the lawn (we've had a lot of rain recently, and the grass has gone beserk, so lots of time to think whilst mowing. Kim Jones would know what I'm talking about!). Mowing, taking bath, ... are good for deep th

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread David Nyman
On 30 December 2011 12:07, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> What is a consciousness apart from its content? > > That's a good question. May be it is cosmic consciousness, or pure > consciousness of pure consciousness, or perhaps the innate consciousness of > the pre-löbian universal machine. Of course we

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Dec 2011, at 01:57, Pierz wrote: Of course, when consciousness is taken seriously into account, we can sense some incoherence, but empirically, this is the hard part to convey, and without MGA/Maudlin, I have not been able to convince of the "frank incoherence". And you've been successf

Re: Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Dec 2011, at 01:03, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 05:26:00PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: But the conversation here has been very useful indeed. And it is not finished! Thanks. I would agree it has been very useful as well. I will also be travelling for the next week

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Dec 2011, at 01:00, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 05:47:07PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Dec 2011, at 22:21, Russell Standish wrote: They both cannot supervene on the same physical state. In my weak sense, they both supervene on the same physical state of th

How does comp explain the uncanny valley?

2011-12-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIuF5DcsbKU ‘The uncanny valley is a hypothesis in the field of robotics and 3D computer animation which holds that when human replicas look and act almost, but not perfectly, like actual human beings, it causes a response of revulsion among human observers. The “val

Re: Self-driving cars

2011-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Dec 2011, at 20:44, Charles Goodwin wrote: Hi Bruno What observable properties of black holes may be explained by the fact that they don't erase information? Black hole evaporation. I am thinking about some work by Hawking. But $any* true erasing of information is forbid in any theor

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Dec 2011, at 19:13, meekerdb wrote: On 12/29/2011 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Dec 2011, at 22:21, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 12:10:29PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: But I still fail to see what you mean by swapping two consciousness. In this case we hav

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread Pierz
On Dec 30, 6:35 pm, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/29/2011 4:11 PM, Pierz wrote: > You think it is ludicrous that a Mars Rover is programmed to monitor the > state of its > battery, the temperature of its motors, the amount of memory available for > pictures, etc? > > Brent Let's not go down that bo