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2012-06-05 Thread meekerdb
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Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> If it looks like it has a will but doesn't then it has pseudo-will. > > It only looks like it has a will if you interpret it that way. It > doesn't look that way to me. No more than Bugs Bunny is a pseudo- > rabbit that has a pseudo-appetit

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-05 Thread meekerdb
On 6/5/2012 10:35 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 on Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: >> There are only two things I mean by "free will" because they are the only two that are not gibberish, but nobody around here except me likes either definition: 1) Fre

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-05 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 on Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> There are only two things I mean by "free will" because they are the > only two that are not gibberish, but nobody around here except me likes > either definition: > 1) Free Will is the inability to always know what you are going to do > before yo

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Jun 2012, at 18:02, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 meekerdb wrote: > And so you know that pursuant to the purpose of winning a game it may be useful to make a random choice. Certainly! Random choice is a key part of the Monte Carlo method of statistical mechanics and it i

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-05 Thread meekerdb
On 6/5/2012 9:02 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: > And so you know that pursuant to the purpose of winning a game it may be useful to make a random choice. Certainly! Random choice is a key part of the Monte Carlo method of sta

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-05 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 meekerdb wrote: > And so you know that pursuant to the purpose of winning a game it may be > useful to make a random choice. > Certainly! Random choice is a key part of the Monte Carlo method of statistical mechanics and it is one of the most important computer algorithms

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jun 5, 12:07 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> An automatic pilot has pseudo-free will according to you but it is > >> still causally efficacious. > > > An automatic pilot has no will. It's just a program implemented > > technologicall

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jun 4, 11:09 pm, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/4/2012 7:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Jun 4, 10:37 pm, Stathis Papaioannou  wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg   > >> wrote: > If it doesn't make sense to you then you can append "pseudo-" whenever > you talk ab

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jun 4, 11:03 pm, meekerdb wrote: > Sure. Doesn't mean they have to obey different laws to do so. You are assuming that there are laws. I don't. Laws are persistent patterns of experience. The Taj Majal is a different order of experience than could be produced by the 'laws' of masonry alone. I