Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Jun 2012, at 20:24, meekerdb wrote: On 6/22/2012 12:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 2) The fact that there is no algorithm to decide if a program compute some function does not ential that we cannot recognize what do some program. You mean there is no algorithm that, given any program

Re: 1p-indeterminacy and brains

2012-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Jun 2012, at 20:42, Stephen P. King wrote: On 6/22/2012 4:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:32, Stephen P. King wrote: What does first person indeterminacy show other than the independence of the process that generates the 1p from any particular case of physical s

Re: truth

2012-06-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.06.2012 08:03 Stephen P. King said the following: On 6/22/2012 1:50 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: I have many questions. One is "what if truth were malleable?" -- HI Brian, If it was malleable, how would we detect the modifications? If our "standards" of truth varied, how could we tell? Thi

Re: 1p-indeterminacy and brains

2012-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Jun 2012, at 20:55, meekerdb wrote: On 6/22/2012 11:42 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: You don't need 1p-indeterminacy for this. The independance requires only that if a brain support consciousness in a particular computation not using neuron 323, and if physical supervenience is true,

Re: truth

2012-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jun 2012, at 09:47, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 22.06.2012 08:03 Stephen P. King said the following: On 6/22/2012 1:50 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: I have many questions. One is "what if truth were malleable?" -- HI Brian, If it was malleable, how would we detect the modifications? If our

Re: 1p-indeterminacy and brains

2012-06-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 6/23/2012 1:53 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/22/2012 10:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 6/23/2012 12:37 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/22/2012 6:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 6/22/2012 8:04 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/22/2012 4:49 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hameroff is a crackpot. If microtubles we

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-23 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 Stephen P. King wrote: > > This quantization of time is easily seen as problematic when we consider > that SR tells us that any granulation of time is equivalent to a grnulation > of space which has observable effect. > All physicists agree that neither Special Relativity

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-23 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Something is not primitive if you can derive it from something simpler. > You don't think the electron is primitive, so show me how to derive its mass, spin, and electrical charge from something simpler. John K Clark -- You received this message