Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread R AM
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:51 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/18/2012 6:28 AM, R AM wrote: > > Dear Bruno, compatibilist free-will is defined as "without coercion". > Metaphisical (non-compatibilist) free-will is a property or ability people > claim to have when making decisions (i.e. they are so abso

Re: Unto Others (very interesting)

2012-07-19 Thread R AM
free markets produce the types of social systems that best enable people to interact in a way that puts them on the oxytocin-empathy? Really I thought it was each one on its own. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:47 AM, meekerdb wrote: > > This may be of interest to those recently discussing free-ri

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 18-juil.-12, à 15:28, R AM a écrit : On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Well ...  you are the one who continue to mock free-will, despite many of us have given new precise, and compatibilist, definition of it, and you do this without making precise that you limit you

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 18-juil.-12, à 19:26, John Clark a écrit : On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If doubt is not productive then it is not reasonable, if a physicist or chemist or biologist or geologist or astronomer doubts "physicalism" then there is nothing more for him to do and he

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 7/18/2012 3:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Not for the atheists nearby. They vindicate that the believe that there is no God. You need to distinguish what you mean by "God".  When written capitalized as a proper noun it refers to a person/being who created the world and wants to be obey

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 18-juil.-12, à 20:48, meekerdb a écrit : On 7/18/2012 5:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Let g be the proposition that God exists. And let me be the proposition that Matter (primitive matter) exists. Then, by the most common definition of atheism, atheists are doubly believer as they verif

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread R AM
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 18-juil.-12, à 15:28, R AM a écrit : > > >> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > I gave a definition of compatibilist free-will which is not "without > coercion". I define free-will as the ability to make willing

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 18-juil.-12, à 21:08, meekerdb a écrit : On 7/18/2012 10:32 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: For example, the fantastic, uinmatched success the judeo-christian civilization until XVIII century at least, as measured in objective evolutionary terms. You mean the one that squelched Greek science

Re: Unto Others (very interesting)

2012-07-19 Thread meekerdb
On 7/19/2012 1:43 AM, R AM wrote: free markets produce the types of social systems that best enable people to interact in a way that puts them on the oxytocin-empathy? Really I thought it was each one on its own. I think that's the interesting point: those two are not contrary. Brent

Re: Unto Others (very interesting)

2012-07-19 Thread R AM
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:19 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/19/2012 1:43 AM, R AM wrote: >> >> free markets produce the types of social systems that best enable >> people to interact in a way that puts them on the oxytocin-empathy? >> Really I thought it was each one on its own. > > > I think th

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread meekerdb
On 7/19/2012 6:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 18-juil.-12, ą 20:48, meekerdb a écrit : On 7/18/2012 5:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Let g be the proposition that God exists. And let me be the proposition that Matter (primitive matter) exists. Then, by the most comm

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: > I define free-will as the ability to make willing-full choice in absence > of complete information Complete information is NEVER available, but there is ALWAYS enough information to make a choice OR there is not enough information to make a choice; s

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.07.2012 22:26 meekerdb said the following: On 7/18/2012 12:21 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 18.07.2012 21:08 meekerdb said the following: On 7/18/2012 10:32 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: For example, the fantastic, uinmatched success the judeo-christian civilization until XVIII century at

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA

2012-07-19 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Bruno, I need to slow down and just address this question of your as it seems to be the point where we disconnect from understanding each other. On 7/19/2012 10:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: At this stage I will ask you to define "physical". The physical is the represented as the

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Most catholic theologians have already abandoned the idea of an > omniscient and omnipotent being, Maybe that's what the smarter ones think privately but that is most certainly NOT what they preach to their congregation on Sunday, if they

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-19 Thread Stephen P. King
To fix a typo On 7/19/2012 3:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, I need to slow down and just address this question of your as it seems to be the point where we disconnect from understanding each other. On 7/19/2012 10:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: At this stage I will ask you to de

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > To fix a typo > > On 7/19/2012 3:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > Dear Bruno, > > I need to slow down and just address this question of your as it seems > to be the point where we disconnect from understanding each other. > > On 7/19/

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/19/2012 7:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: To fix a typo On 7/19/2012 3:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, I need to slow down and just address this question of your as it s

Re: Contra Step 8 of UDA (errata)

2012-07-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 7/19/2012 7:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > >> To fix a typo >> >> On 7/19/2012 3:46 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> Dear Bruno, >> >> I need to slow down and just addres