RE: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

Roger: I suggest that at root, you have vitalist sympathies. wrb From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Clough Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:07 AM To: everything-list Subject: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit in

Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi meekerdb > > IMHO I don't think that computers can have intelligence > because intelligence consists of at least one ability: > the ability to make autonomous choices (choices completely > of one's own). Computers can do nothing on their ow

Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 Roger Clough wrote: > > > I don't think that computers can have intelligence > But computers can solve equations better than you, play a game of chess better than you, be a better research librarian than you and win more money on Jeopardy than you; so it they don't have in

Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 Craig Weinberg wrote: > A pendulum is only a metal rod. A clock is nothing but gears "A brain is nothing but a glob of grey goo" says the robot. > There is no clock sauce that makes this assembly a clock. Yes there is, the clock sauce is the information on what the posi

Re: The hypocracy of materialism

John: I think those arithmetical values must be implemented in matter to become operational. Richard: Agreed, as long as the compactified dimensions of string theory are a form of matter and I am a crackpot. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 Bruno Marc

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Re: The hypocracy of materialism

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: > A popular subproblem consists in explaining how a grey brain can generate > the subjective color An outline would be given by > 1) a theory of qualia. This just means some semi-axiomatic definition of > qualia, some agreement of what characterize them,

Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers

On 27 Aug 2012, at 15:32, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/27/2012 8:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Aug 2012, at 21:59, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/26/2012 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Aug 2012, at 15:12, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Aug 2012, at 12:04, benjayk wr

Re: Gödel theorem, the last vestige of magic Pythagorean mysticism.

On 27 Aug 2012, at 15:15, Richard Ruquist wrote: Is it true that real numbers are complete? It is true that the first order theory of the real numbers, is complete. This has been proven by Tarski. Now add some trigonometric function axioms, and you are incomplete again, as the trigonomet

Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:07, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb IMHO I don't think that computers can have intelligence because intelligence consists of at least one ability: the ability to make autonomous choices (choices completely of one's own). Computers can do nothing on their own, they can onl

Re: Is there a Sam Spencer on this list ?

I guess it is a spam. Also your address is rclo...@verizon.net, not rogclo...@verizon.net , like spencer's message. Bruno On 27 Aug 2012, at 12:55, Roger Clough wrote: Is there a Sam Spencer on this list ? He keeps sending out emails that appear before opening to come from me, but actually

Re: A remark on Richard's paper

On 27 Aug 2012, at 06:34, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 06:00:26PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: No. That was what I told him. But he left the place, simply, without further comment, and quite disrespectfully. Many people were shocked by this behavior, but said nothing. I think

Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers

On 8/27/2012 8:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Aug 2012, at 21:59, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/26/2012 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Aug 2012, at 15:12, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Aug 2012, at 12:04, benjayk wrote: But this avoides my point that we can't imagi

Re: Re: Re: What is the mind-body problem ? How do monads cause change ?

Hi Richard Ruquist No, intelligence is a function of mind and hence is inextended. Brain is extended. Mind is the monad of brain if I may. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/27/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving

Re: Re: What is the mind-body problem ? How do monads cause change ?

Hence, both are extended. QED On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > The more brain, the more mind. > > > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 8/27/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so > everything could function." > >

Re: Gödel theorem, the last vestige of magic Pythagorean mysticism.

Is it true that real numbers are complete? Richard On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 27 Aug 2012, at 11:47, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > Please don´t take my self confident style for absolute certainty. I just >> expose my ideas for discussion. >> >> The fascination w

Re: Re: What is the mind-body problem ? How do monads cause change ?

Hi Richard Ruquist The more brain, the more mind. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/27/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 201

Re: Gödel theorem, the last vestige of magic Pythagorean mysticism.

On 27 Aug 2012, at 11:47, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Please don´t take my self confident style for absolute certainty. I just expose my ideas for discussion. The fascination with which the Gödel theorem is taken may reflect the atmosphere of magic that invariably goes around anything for

Re: What is the mind-body problem ? How do monads cause change ?

Roger, If the mind were not extended, then animal intelligence would not depend on brain size. Richard On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > It has been asked here-- what in fact is the mind-body problem ? > > http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/writing/mind-top.html > > > "

Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers

On 26 Aug 2012, at 21:59, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/26/2012 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Aug 2012, at 15:12, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Aug 2012, at 12:04, benjayk wrote: But this avoides my point that we can't imagine that levels, context and ambiguity don'

What is the mind-body problem ? How do monads cause change ?

It has been asked here-- what in fact is the mind-body problem ? http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/writing/mind-top.html "The Mind Body Problem What philosophers call the mind body problem originated with Descartes. In Descartes' philosophy the mind is essentially a thinking thing, wh

Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

Hi meekerdb IMHO I don't think that computers can have intelligence because intelligence consists of at least one ability: the ability to make autonomous choices (choices completely of one's own). Computers can do nothing on their own, they can only do what softward and harfdware tells them to do

Is there a Sam Spencer on this list ?

Is there a Sam Spencer on this list ? He keeps sending out emails that appear before opening to come from me, but actually don't. His name, not mine, does however appear when you open the email as below. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/27/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd hav

This email did not come from me

Hi Sam Spencer I don't know why or how, but this email from Sam Spencer appearse opening it to come from me. But I never sent it. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/27/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the foll

Gödel theorem, the last vestige of magic Pythagorean mysticism.

Please don´t take my self confident style for absolute certainty. I just expose my ideas for discussion. The fascination with which the Gödel theorem is taken may reflect the atmosphere of magic that invariably goes around anything for which there is a lack of understanding. In this case, with th

Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers

On 26 Aug 2012, at 20:56, meekerdb wrote: On 8/26/2012 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Aug 2012, at 12:35, Jason Resch wrote: I agree different implementations of intelligence have different capabilities and roles, but I think computers are general enough to replicate any intellig