OBE's etc.

2012-10-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Responses at == Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/3/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen I think so (except perhaps on Jesus, but we can come back on this later ... I don't think it is so important, now) == T

Re: Re: The meaning of subjectivity and the importance of self (1p)

2012-10-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg My responses as Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/3/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-02, 15:54:01 Sub

Re: OBE's etc.

2012-10-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Oct 2012, at 13:05, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Responses at == Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/3/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen I think so (except perhaps on Jesus, but we can come back on this later ... I don't think it is s

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-10-03 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > how can reason be completely different from evolution if reason itself > is a consequence of nothing but evolution. > Random mutation can wire together a small number of cells such that if there is a sudden change in the light levels in t

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-10-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Oct 2012, at 19:48, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 Craig Weinberg wrote: > Any meta-molecular system is going to be complex compared to a molecular system, That's what "meta" means, and a very big thing is larger than a big thing. Once a theory is rich enough (like the

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-10-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 12:35:11 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > >> > how can reason be completely different from evolution if reason itself >> is a consequence of nothing but evolution. >> > > Random mutation can wire together a

Re: structural complexity

2012-10-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/3/2012 4:20 PM, John Mikes wrote: Stephen: are you compofrtable to imagine yourSELF and the warehouse of your MEMORIES - /*_all excluding any relations to your body_*/? Then what? I think the complexity *_"WE"_* includes the part thought of as body and bodily feelings so an abstract trans

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-10-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > 1) I understand and respect your argument here 100%. > 2) I think that I have a better explanation The better explanation is the simpler one. Your explanation adds extra, unnecessary and unsupported by any evidence layers to the one Darwin