Re: Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation

2012-11-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/19/2012 10:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Nov 2012, at 15:43, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/19/2012 9:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Nov 2012, at 02:12, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 07:48:57PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Russell, I agree with this view

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2012, at 18:51, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: > both the W-man and the M-man know perfectly well who they are, Yes certainly they do, they know exactly who they are but they are not the ones that Bruno Marchal asks questions and demands prediction

Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-21 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 Craig Weinberg wrote: > I would never claim there is no relationship between numbers and > geometry, I claim that there is no function which geometry serves for > arithmetic. Pythagoras discovered and proved his famous theorem using geometry, only later was it expanded int

Re: Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation

2012-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2012, at 14:10, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Isn't the Godel problem similar or related to saying that the subject cannot be part of the predicate ? Yes. the subject (1p) can't. But the machine can still refer to itself. Then in any system there will always be at least

Re: Reality Check: You Are Not a Computer Simulation [Audio]

2012-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2012, at 11:32, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal I'm trying to understand your paper, but a seemingly much simpler form of your argument keeps getting in the way. The simpler form is the Lucas argument, discussed in great scholarly detail on http://www.iep.utm.edu/lp-argue/

Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2012, at 20:47, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/11/20 Bruno Marchal On 20 Nov 2012, at 16:02, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/11/11 Bruno Marchal On 11 Nov 2012, at 01:29, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It is an observable fact. is obviously true that if you live in a society

Re: [evol-psych] The problem of what exists*

2012-11-21 Thread John Mikes
Dear Richard and Anna: I have an easier stance on the subject: whatever 'comes up' in 'a' mind - exists. If not otherwise: in thought (idea?). Once 'thought' about it, it does become part of the world. Physical attributes may be considered by people who accept those figments but even for those it s

How Leibniz solved the self-reference problem. Each monad is essentially blind.

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi everything-list Time is not a variable in the monadology, so everything changes instantly, or at least at the speed of light. The self-reference problem also shows up in Leibniz, but now I see that that's why he used the verb "reflects." Because each monad cannot see outside of his point of r

Re: Re: Re: Two possible ways of creating actual objects out of nothing

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Sorry, my mistake, I remembered wrong. It was somebody else. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/21/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Tim

Re: Re: Evolutionary logic Re: Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Perhaps I have gotten things wrong, but Godel's problem seems to me to be the self-reference problem uncovered by B Russell, namely that a class (if I am using the right word) cannot itself be a member of that class. For example suppose we have a list of siblings, john, jacob

Re: Re: Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Isn't the Godel problem similar or related to saying that the subject cannot be part of the predicate ? Then in any system there will always be at least one subject, and that subject cannot be part of the rest of the system ? Which is the same as saying, along with Leibniz, tha

Re: Re: Reality Check: You Are Not a Computer Simulation [Audio]

2012-11-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I'm trying to understand your paper, but a seemingly much simpler form of your argument keeps getting in the way. The simpler form is the Lucas argument, discussed in great scholarly detail on http://www.iep.utm.edu/lp-argue/ It seems to me to be self-evident that 1p cannot