From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

A greath truth. Every human knowledge has also social consequiences. When I say "A". I don´t only say "A is true". I say also that because A is true and you must accept it because a set of my socially reputated fellows of me did something to affirm it, you must believe it, and, more important, I de

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/5/2013 9:46 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/4/2013 1:24 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:49 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bru

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Hi Roger, Hi Telmo Menezes > > Thanks. But can such biomolecular structures > develop into a living cell ? > Current mainstream Biology believes that's the case. There isn't a complete model yet, but many pieces of the puzzle are already known. The current developmental theory is based on self-o

Life and death in a world of good and evil

Life and death in a world of good and evil Although God is all-powerful in Heaven, where there is no death, down here, where death is ever present, God must try to pilot us through sometimes rough waters, in which his options are more limited. Down here, good and evil -- life and death--are i

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

Hi meekerdb I'm sorry that Christ does not measure up to your liberal standards. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time:

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

Hi meekerdb Materialists can't consistently accept inextended structures and functions such as quantum fields--or if they do, they aren't materialists. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? Ipersonally think so.

Hi Alberto G. Corona Sounds like fascism to me. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 06:56:37 S

Re: Question: Robotic truth

Your robot do not have time to know the true truth. He would not speculate on the nature of his programmer, or why he is here. At least until the problems of survival are solved by means of a stable collaboration. Even so, he never could have the opportunity to know the programmer. He don´t know th

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

On 04 Jan 2013, at 17:44, Roger Clough wrote: Hi socra...@bezeqint.net Spirit, like life, like God, like faith, like love, and like mind, is not extended in space Those objects you mention are extended in space. Like numbers, programs and other digital machines. Well, even non digital mac

Re: Physarum machine

On 04 Jan 2013, at 19:10, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 26.12.2012 13:45 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 26 Dec 2012, at 12:45, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I have recently seen a paper on a Physarum machine A Adamatzky Physarum machine: implementation of a Kolmogorov-Uspensky machine on a biolog

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 04 Jan 2013, at 21:49, meekerdb wrote: On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Don't take this too much literally. I have never believed in any notion like charity, or distribution of wealth. It *looks* nice, but it generates poverty. Oops, too late! I already gave my kids several h

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote: > >>Even people who have no sense of humor can deduce that other people do >> have it, > > > >Would they if only 0.001% of the population had a sense of humor? > Yes, because unlike psi it would be easily repeatable, if one person who claimed to have a

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/6/2013 4:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:57 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/5/2013 9:46 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/4/2013 1:24 PM, Telmo Me

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

On 1/6/2013 6:56 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: A greath truth. Every human knowledge has also social consequiences. When I say "A". I don´t only say "A is true". I say also that because A is true and you must accept it because a set of my socially reputated fellows of me did something to affirm

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? Ipersonally think so.

On 1/6/2013 8:39 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona Sounds like fascism to me. How so? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver:

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

On 1/6/2013 5:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb I'm sorry that Christ does not measure up to your liberal standards. I should have thought maintaining love and respect for one's family would be a conservative "family value". Brent Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peac

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

On 1/6/2013 10:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jan 2013, at 17:44, Roger Clough wrote: Hi socra...@bezeqint.net Spirit, like life, like God, like faith, like love, and like mind, is not extended in space Those objects you mention are extended in space. Like numbers, programs and other d

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

On 1/6/2013 5:30 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Materialists can't consistently accept inextended structures and functions such as quantum fields--or if they do, they aren't materialists. So no physicists since Schrodinger are materialists. So materialism can't very well be "scientific d

Re: Question: Robotic truth

On 1/6/2013 5:47 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Because this is a form of guided question, I will not hide my cards and I will say my conclussions: Once some actor (call it robot) collaborates with my robot I would mark it as faitful. therefore I will believe in what it says. If I detect that

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

On 1/6/2013 2:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: So no physicists since Schrodinger are materialists. So materialism can't very well be "scientific dogma" as you keep asserting. Brent Hi Brent, I think that you are taking as evidence the lack of overt statements as evidence. Any person that is marx

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/6/2013 8:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jan 2013, at 21:49, meekerdb wrote: On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Don't take this too much literally. I have never believed in any notion like charity, or distribution of wealth. It *looks* nice, but it generates poverty. Oops, to

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

Hi Craig Weinberg Sorry, everybody, I was snookered into believing that they had really accomplished the impossible. The killer argument against that is that the brain has no sync signals to generate the raster lines. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, es

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

On 1/6/2013 11:37 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 2:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: So no physicists since Schrodinger are materialists. So materialism can't very well be "scientific dogma" as you keep asserting. Brent Hi Brent, I think that you are taking as evidence the lack of overt st

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

On 1/6/2013 3:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/6/2013 11:37 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 2:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: So no physicists since Schrodinger are materialists. So materialism can't very well be "scientific dogma" as you keep asserting. Brent Hi Brent, I think that you are t

Re: Question: Robotic truth

I read some workd of Gintis,. but the experimental game theorists give up when things get complicated. The dynamic of groups stability and cooperation and their mechanisms is an field which has not even started. They do not study the vital role of public cult and rites, for example that are critica

Re: Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

Hi Stephen P. King The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 14:08

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

Hi Stephen P. King I think what was meant was the inverse, namely that no consistent materialist can believe in quantum mechanics. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content -

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Hi Telmo Menezes Could be, but so far no success. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 07:51:49 Subject: Re:

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

Hi meekerdb Sorry, I obviously missed the point of your quote from Matthew. What is your point ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everyth

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

Hi meekerdb Not all physicists are materialists, or if they are, they are inconsistent if they deal with quantum physics, which is nonphysical. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following co

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

On 1/6/2013 12:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/6/2013 11:37 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 2:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: So no physicists since Schrodinger are materialists. So materialism can't very well be "scientific dogma" as you keep asserting.

Re: Question: Robotic truth

On 1/6/2013 12:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: I read some workd of Gintis,. but the experimental game theorists give up when things get complicated. The dynamic of groups stability and cooperation and their mechanisms is an field which has not even started. They do not study the vital role of p

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

No, I meant that quantum mechanics, quantum field theory, general relativity, are all current models of matter and it's interaction. So it is silly to say QFT is immaterial. Of cours it's immaterial; it's a *theory*. But it's a theory of matter (and a very good one). So to say a materialist

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

On 1/6/2013 12:57 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Sorry, I obviously missed the point of your quote from Matthew. What is your point ? That the Christian Bible, and by extension fundamentalist Christianity, is a cartoonish world view which no thinking person would take as a guide for mora

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

On 1/6/2013 12:59 PM, Roger Clough wrote: quantum physics, which is nonphysical A new record. You've contradicted yourself in only five words. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to eve

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. Hi, But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism. Fascism is a governing system where the population can own property privately but the use of said property is dicta

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

On 1/6/2013 3:52 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King I think what was meant was the inverse, namely that no consistent materialist can believe in quantum mechanics. Ah. OK. I would like to see an explanation of this claim if I had the time for such minutia. -- Onward! Stephen

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. Hi, But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism. Fascism is a governing system where the population can own property pri

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy > > You've obviously never watched one of Sheldrake's > lectures. > Watched, listened, and even read some things a few years back. I sincerely tried to open my mind, but when I realized I was forcing that, instead

Re: Question: Robotic truth

The expression "Socila construction of reality" is an expression that hold any kind or relativism. This is nor that. This is a algorithmical study founded in game theory, and resource optimization with a narrow set of possibilities and a harwired nature of any social being (the ROM element). Socia

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. Hi, But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism. Fascism is a governing system whe

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Stephen P. King > > The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. > > > Hi, > > But the use of forc

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

On 1/6/2013 3:19 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. Hi, But the use of force to persuade is not the essence o

Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

On 1/6/2013 3:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Stephen P. King > wrote: On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P

Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] Re: [4DWorldx] Emailing: science-gets-colder-than-absolute-zero

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Rod Young wrote: > ** > > > Richard and CI, > > The peer review process has been corrupted in favour of geopolitical > "imperatives". > > That is why we are here. > > Needing a new quaternary system (not tertiary -university ) > > Global conscious and critic of hu

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

Roger, I hate to keep harping on this but aren't BECs unextended in space, as you put it. And if so, life and its machinery could be embedded a BEC even if the BEC were extended. BECs have the kind of magical properties that suggest that they are outside spacetime. Richard On Sun, Jan 6, 2013