RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-30 Thread chris peck
Hi Chris >> if in the end it is an infinitely regressing hall of mirrors, a cosmic >> illusion – why the elaborate and evolutionarily expensive (multiple levels >> of adaption) masquerade ball in which we all participate? As far as I can tell there is no cosmic illusion of free will. I'm my opi

RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-30 Thread Chris de Morsella
Exactly - do you think I am trying to pretend that I am deterministic within my own self? I accept that my experience of consciousness is a post facto artifact of my mind, which has already produced and rendered the experience I am just experiencing in perhaps its entirety. And all my decisions an

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-30 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > What happens to a universal Turing machine, if the tape itself is being > written by some other process > The same thing that happens to you when you get pushed around by the external environment. John K Clark -- You received this m

RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-30 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:01 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test? On 24 Aug 2013, at 17:57, Quentin Anciaux wr

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-30 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 Chris de Morsella wrote: > We can hypothesize causality and demonstrate a probability perhaps, and > there may in fact exist a causal relationship. > Then it's deterministic. > > But if it cannot be demonstrated and traced all the way down the > incredibly long chain of i

Re: Serious proof of why the theory of evolution is wrong

2013-08-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Aug 2013, at 02:18, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:40:13PM -0400, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 Russell Standish wrote: All evolutionary processes have variation, selection and heredity. Yes. What is missing from cultural evolution is an equivalent of