Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013/11/29 Samiya Illias > I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths and > fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more we > discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the more > difficult it is to believe that everything just happ

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths and fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more we discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the more difficult it is to believe that everything just happens on its own. We may not be able

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > if GR requires dark matter to work, and if we can't observe dark matter, > doesn't this mean that GR is falsified? If Dark Matter really isn't there then that would indeed falsify General Relativity; but the theory that Dark Matter really i

Re: An account of the historical suppression of Leibniz's forbidden knowledge

On 29 November 2013 15:17, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Yes, but I like his Mathematics > Just one of Bruno's many talents :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen

Re: An account of the historical suppression of Leibniz's forbidden knowledge

Yes, but I like his Mathematics On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:39 PM, LizR wrote: > On 29 November 2013 02:12, Roger Clough wrote: > >> An account of the historical (and continuing) suppression of Leibniz's >> "forbidden" ideas >> >> Leibniz was an anti-materialist so that his inclusion of Mind an

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

But if *everything's *holy... well, you know the rest. On 29 November 2013 14:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol! > > Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers apparently see > reason for them to exist: > > *Footnote to

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol! Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers apparently see reason for them to exist: *Footnote to Howl* *By Allen Ginsberg * Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! H

Re: An account of the historical suppression of Leibniz's forbidden knowledge

On 29 November 2013 02:12, Roger Clough wrote: > An account of the historical (and continuing) suppression of Leibniz's > "forbidden" ideas > > Leibniz was an anti-materialist so that his inclusion of Mind and > deity into his philosophy were forbidden ideas, and stillo are, to our > detriment.

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 29 November 2013 09:19, meekerdb wrote: > > I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or > Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, Anansi, > Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, > Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, A

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 29 November 2013 03:29, Samiya Illias wrote: > Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They > did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly > deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of > authoritative arguments

RE: Atheism is wish fulfillment

Religion? There's a Tim Minchin video for that. It'll cure you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr1I3mBojc0 or maybe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeWPScnolo cheers colin -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of m

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 11/28/2013 6:29 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of authoritative arguments, by Chri

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 11/28/2013 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote: On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > Atheism is also the belie

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:43, LizR wrote: Noun atheism (plural atheisms) (narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including rejection of other religious beliefs). (broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or without a belief that no deities exist). (very broadly) Abse

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

Sure, but before being judgemental and throwing it out of the window, do read the Books of the Abrahamic faiths. Perhaps one of them will pleasantly surprise you :) Samiya Sent from my iPhone On 28-Nov-2013, at 8:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/11/28 Samiya Illias >> Quentin

Re: Perception and cionsciousness according to Leibniz

On 28 Nov 2013, at 12:12, Roger Clough wrote: Perception and consciousness according to Leibniz- The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to the overall or Cosmic Mind The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it forces us to think that there is

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

Quentin wrote: 'Because we are not all loving, omnipotent, omniscient beings and we can *do* evil. If such being(s) existed, it would not allow that, but there is evil...' So if the Loving, Omnipotent and Omniscient Being tells us that this world's life is but a trial, that free-will has b

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> the Christian God who is the most unpleasant character in all of >> fiction. >> > > > It really depends on which Christians, which can be very different from > one culture to another. > I know some people who call themselves Christian b

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013/11/28 Samiya Illias > Quentin wrote: 'Because we are not all loving, omnipotent, omniscient > beings and we can *do* evil. If such being(s) existed, it would not > allow that, but there is evil...' > > So if the Loving, Omnipotent and Omniscient Being tells us that this > world's life is

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013/11/28 Samiya Illias > Quentin wrote: ' if there was an all loving god, it wouldn't allow for > hell and evil..' > > Why do we need courts and jails and police on Earth if its such an > unloving thing to do justice? > > Because we are not all loving, omnipotent, omniscient beings and we c

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

Quentin wrote: ' if there was an all loving god, it wouldn't allow for hell and evil..' Why do we need courts and jails and police on Earth if its such an unloving thing to do justice? Samiya Sent from my iPhone On 28-Nov-2013, at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > if there was an all lov

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013/11/28 Samiya Illias > Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They > did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly > deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of > authoritative arguments, by Christians, Muslim

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of authoritative arguments, by Christians, Muslims, and perhaps by the Jewish (w

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote: On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife, Those are 2 separate ideas and there is no reason they

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 27 Nov 2013, at 20:04, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > If you are able to conceive a god without afterlife I can conceive of a afterlife without God too. > it means you can conceive a non Christian God, Yes. > which is nice Certainly nicer

An account of the historical suppression of Leibniz's forbidden knowledge

An account of the historical (and continuing) suppression of Leibniz's "forbidden" ideas Leibniz was an anti-materialist so that his inclusion of Mind and deity into his philosophy were forbidden ideas, and stillo are, to our detriment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM Dr. Roger B C

Re: The death of analytic philosophy and the birth of consciousness

On 27 Nov 2013, at 14:11, Roger Clough wrote: The death of analytic philosophy and the birth of consciousness Consciousness, which is experience by the first person singular, is by definition outside of the scope of analytic philosophy, which is limited to be able to only deal in descriptions o

Perception and cionsciousness according to Leibniz

Perception and consciousness according to Leibniz- The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to the overall or Cosmic Mind The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it forces us to think that there is a fleshly homunculus Leibniz has a more complicated