RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Why is it that the Koch's figure so highly in your focus of vilification, but George Soros dies not? Why is political meddling by one side gets targeted but the other doesn'

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 02:40:16PM +1300, LizR wrote: > On 19 March 2014 14:27, Hal Ruhl wrote: > > > Hi Liz: > > > > Hi Hal > > > > > The physics that I learned holds that the energy in a universe is > > constant. Therefore entropy in such a universe can not exceed 100% of this > > energy bei

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 19 March 2014 14:27, Hal Ruhl wrote: > Hi Liz: > Hi Hal > > The physics that I learned holds that the energy in a universe is > constant. Therefore entropy in such a universe can not exceed 100% of this > energy being unable to do work. That seems a max limit to me. > The increase in the

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Hi Liz: The physics that I learned holds that the energy in a universe is constant. Therefore entropy in such a universe can not exceed 100% of this energy being unable to do work. That seems a max limit to me. Is there a way in which new energy flows into a universe? It seems to me that

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

On 19 March 2014 14:16, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/18/2014 6:13 PM, LizR wrote: > > Thanks. I couldn't find the exact references. Is this the popular one? > http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.2675 > > Yep, that's it. Sorry, I left a digit off. > > Odd. According to QM that should be impossible... (Sorry :

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

On 3/18/2014 6:13 PM, LizR wrote: Thanks. I couldn't find the exact references. Is this the popular one? http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.2675 Yep, that's it. Sorry, I left a digit off. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To u

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

Thanks. I couldn't find the exact references. Is this the popular one? http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.2675 On 19 March 2014 13:57, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/18/2014 5:07 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 19 March 2014 12:47, meekerdb wrote: > >> But in general that would mean knowing the state of everything t

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

On 3/18/2014 5:07 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 March 2014 12:47, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: But in general that would mean knowing the state of everything the system had interacted with in the past, since it is now entangled with them. So even if you suppose there is n

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On 19 March 2014 13:27, meekerdb wrote: > The market means you can have as much freedom as you can pay for. > Nicely put. I may put that in my collection of quotes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this g

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 19 March 2014 12:52, Hal Ruhl wrote: > > To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type > of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a > universe that if implemented increase the entropy of that universe. > Further all such processes wil

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

On 3/18/2014 4:52 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote: Hi John: It is a distinct pleasure to hear from you. To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a universe that if implemented increase the entropy of th

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On 3/18/2014 4:12 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 March 2014 08:46, mailto:spudboy...@aol.com>> wrote: Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate measures, and I say that whats been presente

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

On 19 March 2014 12:47, meekerdb wrote: > But in general that would mean knowing the state of everything the > system had interacted with in the past, since it is now entangled with > them. So even if you suppose there is no collapse of the wavefunction, > decoherence has the same effect. > I

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Hi John: It is a distinct pleasure to hear from you. To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a universe that if implemented increase the entropy of that universe. Further all such proc

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

But in general that would mean knowing the state of everything the system had interacted with in the past, since it is now entangled with them. So even if you suppose there is no collapse of the wavefunction, decoherence has the same effect. Brent On 3/18/2014 2:52 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: Yes,

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On 19 March 2014 08:46, wrote: > Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 > is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate > measures, and I say that whats been presented is not accurate. However, it > could even be worse than 10,000. As I

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Speaking of "1984" http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/22635-focus-former-top-nsa-official-qwe-are-now-in-a-police-stateq -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving email

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

OK, thanks. PS I realise that wavefunction collapse involves information loss and creates a fundamental time asymmetry, but I was under the impression that's the only place in QM that those things can occur - hence Stephen Hawking famously losing a bet (I thnk the prize was an encyclopaedia). So

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

Yes, if you have the exact present quantum state and you're assuming the normal quantum rules for continuous wavefunction evolution, you can determine the past quantum state. The answer might change if you assume that there's an objective physical reality to the "collapse" of wavefunction with meas

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

Am I right in assuming that in a quantum mechanical universe you can trace the history backwards? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-l

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Dear Hal Ruhl, it has been for long since we had our last exchangeI clicked the URL and found mostly agreeable general ideas (with my peculiar thoughts in frequent questioning). *May I ask WHAT kind of LIFE are you talking about?* I believe our Terresstrial 'bio' is only a segment. Then agai

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

Breaking your ideas down, I do still hold that the figure cited as 10,000 is imprecise. It seems as a selling point. But with a focus on accurate measures, and I say that whats been presented is not accurate. However, it could even be worse than 10,000. As I have tried to get environmentalists h

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Its not about my ideology, its about your ideology, actually. I am not here to sell my deep suspicions that would never be accepted. Ideology is like a faith, or rather a faith movement. No solutions offered or even desired, simply obedience to the ruling class. Nice. -Original Message--

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

Why is it that the Koch's figure so highly in your focus of vilification, but George Soros dies not? Why is political meddling by one side gets targeted but the other doesn't. You seem to have a decided preference for certain billionaires, rather then have a mistrust of all. -Original Me

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

On 3/18/2014 8:14 AM, John Clark wrote: Jesse, somehow our conversation has bifurcated into 2 quite different topics, environmental concerns and fundamental physics, today I'll just talk about the physics. On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer > wrote:

Entropy and curved spacetime

Jesse, somehow our conversation has bifurcated into 2 quite different topics, environmental concerns and fundamental physics, today I'll just talk about the physics. On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: > I already addressed your confusion about the implications of black hole > e

Re: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation

The black-hole big-bang theory hypothesized by Smolin and derived by Poplawski is also ruled out as it does not have a cosmic inflation phase. Richard On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/18/2014 3:13 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegro

Re: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation

On 3/18/2014 3:13 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 6:16 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation The i

RE: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:16 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation The interesting question is which cosmogony models are ru

RE: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR You might also like to see Chris de Morsella's post. I'm not sure how to link to it but the title is "First direct evidence of cosmic inflation" Here is the link: http://www.sciencedail

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:58 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization Personall

Re: video of Andrei Linde hearing gravity wave news

What impressed me is this: "Let's just hope that it is not a trick" 2014-03-18 9:17 GMT+01:00 LizR : > Is it just me? I find things like this make me cry. I saw Alan Guth on the > news earlier today, and I just ... well I almost teared up. This is someone > who came out with this theory 30 year

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:36:25 AM UTC+11, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > At some point, Pierz, one has to use one's senses. > Quite so, but you were making a completely invalid leap of reasoning from your sense data - something along the lines of "I see birds singing in the trees, so mass sp

Re: video of Andrei Linde hearing gravity wave news

Is it just me? I find things like this make me cry. I saw Alan Guth on the news earlier today, and I just ... well I almost teared up. This is someone who came out with this theory 30 years or more ago, it's like when Higgs was on TV the other year talking about the discovery of the Higgs particle.

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

I'm not sure I follow much of what you are saying here. Maybe I need to go away and sleep on it. Then again, it's hard to answer comments on your memory of another thread... One thing about "1984" is that the Party are, I think interestingly, powerless. They never let *anyone* who commits thought