Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-10-12 Thread John Clark
> > > >For your information I like information because Information is computable. >such "non-computable" feature could be "primitive" matter, Not only is there no evidence that non-computable process exist in the physical world there isn't even any reason to think it exists in Plato's abstract

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread meekerdb
On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a very good explanation for anything. You just have to ask "where did God come from?" so see that you've just been diverted away from the quest for knowledge of ultimate (or original) causes.

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread meekerdb
On 10/12/2014 2:31 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 October 2014 16:11, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes consciousness to information processing like DNA, the "nothing but information processing" theory needs to e

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread LizR
On 13 October 2014 10:41, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > Le 12 oct. 2014 23:31, "LizR" a écrit : > > > > On 12 October 2014 16:11, meekerdb wrote: > >> > >> Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes > consciousness to information processing like DNA, the "nothing but > informa

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 12 oct. 2014 23:31, "LizR" a écrit : > > On 12 October 2014 16:11, meekerdb wrote: >> >> Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes consciousness to information processing like DNA, the "nothing but information processing" theory needs to explain what is different about

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread LizR
I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a very good explanation for anything. You just have to ask "where did God come from?" so see that you've just been diverted away from the quest for knowledge of ultimate (or original) causes. -- You received this message because

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread LizR
Not sure what this has to do with "Are We Really Conscious?" (Unless this is something to do with the feeling everyone has of being at the centre of the universe???...) On 13 October 2014 09:49, Richard Ruquist wrote: > If the universe is a toroid as predicted by string theory, then the > unive

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread LizR
On 12 October 2014 16:11, meekerdb wrote: > Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes > consciousness to information processing like DNA, the "nothing but > information processing" theory needs to explain what is different about my > conscious information processing and t

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
If the universe is a toroid as predicted by string theory, then the universe has on center On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 2:05 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> Are We Really Conscious? >> By MICHAEL S. A. GRAZIANO >> >> OF the three most fundamental

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
> On 12-Oct-2014, at 10:52 pm, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Samiya Illias wrote > >> > Those verses instructing slaughter are on the context of war, not peace. > > If the Quran has told Muslims to "put terror into the hearts of the > unbelievers" and if the Quran r

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Samiya Illias wrote > Those verses instructing slaughter are on the context of war, not peace. > If the Quran has told Muslims to "put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers" and if the Quran really is the word of God then you will be in a constant state of wa

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
> On 12-Oct-2014, at 10:12 pm, John Clark wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Samiya Illias >> wrote: >> >> >> > Would you like specific explanations to the verses you've quoted below? > > Not necessary, those quotations speak for themselves and are quite clear. > They nee

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Would you like specific explanations to the verses you've quoted below? > Not necessary, those quotations speak for themselves and are quite clear. They need no explanation from you. > If you're trying to make some point, its not clear t

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-12 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >>> physics does not even address the problem of qualia >>> >> > >> And neither does religion. >> > > > But the greek theology did, > Baloney. > by addressing the mind-body problem, > So the ancient Greeks said that what a thing is and

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 10 Oct 2014, at 00:21, John Mikes wrote: >

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
Would you like specific explanations to the verses you've quoted below? If you're trying to make some point, its not clear to me. Samiya On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > > > Consider the following verses of Chapter 7

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Consider the following verses of Chapter 75:16-19 Stir not thy tongue > herewith to hasten it. Lo! upon Us (resteth) the putting together > thereof and the reading thereof. And when We read it, follow thou the > reading; Then lo! upon Us (

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 10 Oct 2014, at 00:21, John Mikes wrote: >> >> Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about your wisdom on the

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2014, at 23:13, meekerdb wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Oct 2014, at 23:48, meekerdb wrote: On 10/9/2014 2:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-10-09 23:23 GMT+02:00 Quentin Anciaux : 2014-10-09 22:02 GMT+02:00 John Clark : On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:43

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2014, at 21:16, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM, wrote: > God has spoken to me...3 times. God has only spoken to me once, He said "Vm", unless it was just my neighbor's lawn mower. I give you a tip. Use ear-plug when you meditate :) Bruno John

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 00:21, John Mikes wrote: Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about your wisdom on the list, because you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN, and HO

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2014, at 21:36, John Clark wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: > physics does not even address the problem of qualia And neither does religion. But the greek theology did, by addressing the mind-body problem, in fact the problem of relating the soul (which I handle through the notio

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 10 Oct 2014, at 05:40, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On 10-Oct-2014, at 3:21 am, John Mikes wrote: > > Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about your wisdom on the > list, because you did not refer to my question: WHAT, WHEN,

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 09 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On 09-Oct-2014, at 11:42 pm, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < > multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > >> >> Hmm. Please read this

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 2:05 AM, meekerdb wrote: > Are We Really Conscious? > By MICHAEL S. A. GRAZIANO > > OF the three most fundamental scientific questions about the human > condition, two have been answered. > > First, what is our relationship to the rest of the universe? Copernicus > answer

Re: Fwd: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
If consciousness is an epiphenomenon then all the rest is an epi-epiphenomenon. On Sunday, October 12, 2014, meekerdb wrote: > Are We Really Conscious? > By MICHAEL S. A. GRAZIANO > > OF the three most fundamental scientific questions about the human > condition, two have been answered. > > Fi

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Shut up. It's all information processing. It's all information processing. Stop thinking please El 12/10/2014 05:11, "meekerdb" escribió: > Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes > consciousness to information processing like DNA, the "nothing but > information proces