Re: real A.I.

I do not doubt that increased CO2 in the atm causes global warming and that nowadays much of it comes from burning fossil fuels. Yet my opinion of the Vostok ice core data is that when global temperatures got to their present levels, rapid global warming abruptly turned into less rapid global cool

Re: Consciousness

That's the slide I meant. The first item has to do with the (mostly ) elderly who get serious dementia and essentially cannot communicate. They speak nonsense or not at all. >From autopsies after they die their brains are established to be almost completely destroyed. Yet just before they die, fro

Re: Consciousness

On 12/9/2014 3:03 PM, LizR wrote: Sounds interesting. I wish I had an hour to watch it. I don't suppose there's a summary? :-) On 10 December 2014 at 03:36, Richard Ruquist > wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: *richard ruquist* mailto:yann.

Re: real A.I.

On 12/9/2014 7:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: ... As I said, I haven't developed a strong opinion in regards to anthropogenic global warming, so I certainly wouldn't label myself a "climate change denier" though perhaps some would take the fact that my mind is not settled as sufficient reason to

RE: real A.I.

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:48 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: real A.I. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 , 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > Climate skeptici

Re: real A.I.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:32 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/9/2014 3:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:49 AM, LizR wrote: > >> On 8 December 2014 at 23:36, Telmo Menezes >> wrote: >> >>> >>> You can notice the subtle change in the meaning of being a "skeptic". >>> Th

Re: real A.I.

Yes I've seen FP, though not for a long time. I seem to remember it's a cartoon (a very good one!) On 10 December 2014 at 14:52, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:21 PM, LizR wrote: > >> Have you read "The Genocides" by Thomas M Disch? >> >> Super-intelligent entities trying to

Re: Consciousness

I've been looking for the first slide, but can't find it - can you give me the time when it appears? Actually I may have found it - not the first, but around 18 minutes in - it says: Consciousness without a brain * Deathbed recovery of lost consciousness * Complex consciousness with minimal bra

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 12/9/2014 4:17 PM, LizR wrote: On 10 December 2014 at 06:29, meekerdb > wrote: You can't separate religion from authority. Religion is institutionalized Platonism. From prehistoric times every tribe had their shaman who explained the world and predic

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:31:27 AM UTC, cdemorsella wrote: > > > > > > *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everyth...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *LizR > *Subject:* Re: Edge: Myth of A.I. > > > > On 3 December 2014 at 17:17, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < >

Re: Consciousness

Well spuddy, I do not think they are lying. However, what aspect of his talk involves the paranormal? Richard On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 6:55 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Obviously, you find the UV claims, trustworthy, Richard? Specifically, the > tr

Re: Consciousness

Liz, His first slide summarizes to entire talk. The rest are examples and elaboration. Richard On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LizR wrote: > Sounds interesting. I wish I had an hour to watch it. I don't suppose > there's a summary? :-) > > On 10 December 2014 at 03:36, Richard Ruquist wrote: >

Re: real A.I.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:21 PM, LizR wrote: > Have you read "The Genocides" by Thomas M Disch? > > Super-intelligent entities trying to destroy us, but only in the same way > we try to eradicate aphids from an orchard. > That reminds me a of the excellent movie "Fantastic Planet" (La planète sa

Re: real A.I.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 , 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > Climate skepticism is more of a political phenomenon That depends on what you mean by climate skepticism. I'm nor skeptical that the world is warmer now than it was a century ago. And I'm not skeptical that human activity is respons

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 10 December 2014 at 06:29, meekerdb wrote: > You can't separate religion from authority. Religion is > institutionalized Platonism. From prehistoric times every tribe had their > shaman who explained the world and predicted things based on his visions > and revelations (often chemically

Re: Consciousness

Obviously, you find the UV claims, trustworthy, Richard? Specifically, the truth could be determined by getting data that has no other explanation, other than paranormal. I know there was not any hits with Sam Parnia's AWARE study. An hour long discussion of the scientific findings of the U of

Re: Consciousness

Sounds interesting. I wish I had an hour to watch it. I don't suppose there's a summary? :-) On 10 December 2014 at 03:36, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: richard ruquist > Date: Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:26 AM > Subject: Consciousness > To: Swines , " > a

Re: real A.I.

On 12/9/2014 9:53 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Telmo Menezes *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:09 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: real A.I. On Tue

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 12/9/2014 8:50 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:30 PM, John Clark > wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: At one time the human race was knowledgeable enough

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > we should not separate science from religion. > We must separate shit from chocolate cake, otherwise you won't have chocolate cake, you'll just have shit. > > We can make hypothesis and reason about the nature of matter, > And the people

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

Telmo: as happens often, you have been cristal clear, only by rescuing some categories from the doxa of street talking. It is a pity that, for some other issues, the categories are so immerse in the mud of modernity babble that it is impossible to talk rationally. Some day we will progrees even to

RE: real A.I.

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:09 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: real A.I. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:49 AM, LizR wrote: On 8 December 2014 at 23:3

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 12/9/2014 3:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But once you believe in a reality other than your consciousness, you are a believer. Once you believe in anything, including arithmetic, you're a believer. I know physicists who think matter is just part of a theory we made up to explain observation

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 12/9/2014 3:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: My point was only that material and civil well being is what makes depression and suicide more common than grief and homicide by reducing the latter. I am not convinced there are more suicide only because people are less often killed. I think it is mo

Re: real A.I.

On 12/9/2014 3:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:49 AM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 8 December 2014 at 23:36, Telmo Menezes mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com>> wrote: You can notice the subtle change in the meaning of being a "skeptic". The

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 12/9/2014 2:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Dec 2014, at 16:50, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: >> At one time the human race was knowledgeable enough to construct the Antikythera Mechanism, but 200 years

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 09 Dec 2014, at 16:30, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: At one time the human race was knowledgeable enough to construct the Antikythera Mechanism, but 200 years after it was made Jesus was born and started a major world religion, and 630

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:30 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > At one time the human race was knowledgeable enough to construct the >> Antikythera Mechanism, but 200 years after it was made Jesus was born and >> started a major world

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: At one time the human race was knowledgeable enough to construct the > Antikythera Mechanism, but 200 years after it was made Jesus was born and > started a major world religion, and 630 years after Jesus Mohamed was born > and

Fwd: Consciousness

-- Forwarded message -- From: richard ruquist Date: Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:26 AM Subject: Consciousness To: Swines , " achristianvsatheistc...@yahoogroups.com" < achristianvsatheistc...@yahoogroups.com>, Richard Ruquist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yosn_GHYiR4&feature=youtu.be

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 09 Dec 2014, at 00:41, LizR wrote: On 8 December 2014 at 23:44, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Dec 2014, at 22:17, LizR wrote: On 8 December 2014 at 01:30, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Dec 2014, at 10:37, LizR wrote: That's a curious question. The ruins and record indicate that there was n

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

2014-12-07 13:30 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal : We are better for the survival, but we might be astonished for the quality > of life, even of the poors. It is very hard to judge. We have much more > depression and suicides, we have much more elderly people abandoned by > their family. We have much more

Re: real A.I.

Hi John, On 08 Dec 2014, at 22:28, John Mikes wrote: Hi, Bruno, do you have a short (reasonbly WORDED???) explanation for what you call ENERGY? I asked this question from several physicists and did not get an answer I could even follow (not: understand, of course). Math summersaults do no

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 08 Dec 2014, at 19:29, meekerdb wrote: On 12/8/2014 2:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Dec 2014, at 04:55, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > As a person who takes the Quran literally, I'm not at all surprised as it is stated that the ancients

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 08 Dec 2014, at 19:02, meekerdb wrote: On 12/8/2014 2:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Dec 2014, at 19:26, meekerdb wrote: On 12/7/2014 4:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: We are better for the survival, but we might be astonished for the quality of life, even of the poors. It is very hard

Re: real A.I.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:49 AM, LizR wrote: > On 8 December 2014 at 23:36, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >> You can notice the subtle change in the meaning of being a "skeptic". The >> original meaning is very close to "agnostic" but it has been slowly sliding >> into a strong preference for common

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

On 08 Dec 2014, at 16:50, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> At one time the human race was knowledgeable enough to construct the Antikythera Mechanism, but 200 years after it was made Jesus was born and started a major world religion, and 630 year