Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread smitra
The answer is (1), except that that it's not the algorithm for generating the laws of physics rather simply you, me, Bruno or whatever other conscious entity at some particular state where they have some conscious experience. Each different conscious experience is defined by the action of some

Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread meekerdb
On 8/26/2015 3:06 AM, Peter Sas wrote: Personally my brain stack overflows at about 3 or 4 levels of being aware that I am aware that ... I am aware. I think it would require infinite memory to truly be aware of an infinite number of steps in such a recursive relation. Maybe the infinite hiera

Fwd: Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread meekerdb
Forwarded Message Subject: Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options? Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:32:37 +1000 From: Stathis Papaioannou Reply-To: everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.

Re: Mathematics is Physics

2015-08-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I would agree with you that my Darwin's quote does not express all the Darwin theory. The point was rather that among what Darwin has wrote one can find such statements as well. I should say that I took this quote from Lewontin's review on the book Jerry Fodor and Massimo Piattelli-Palmarini "

Re: Tri Alpha Energy

2015-08-26 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
John, I am guessing that these guys are working hard, but achieving commercial, nuclear fusion is not in the cards. It may never be in the cards, as an electricity power source, except as, a means of fast interplanetary travel. -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-lis

Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Shooting for a physical location? Now we head of (my choice) into Conjecture-Land. Two possibilities, submitted for your scorn and disapproval. One is that since the universe is said by astronomers to be somewhere in the zone of 26-80 light-years, in extant, and we can only detect what is withi

Tri Alpha Energy

2015-08-26 Thread John Clark
Tri Alpha Energy is about the most secretive publicity shy company around, they have 150 employees 140 million in the bank and no website; they've been around since 1998 but until recently all they've said it that they're trying to develop fusion power using the Hydrogen-Boron reaction which is one

Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Aug 2015, at 12:47, Peter Sas wrote: Hi Bruno, I am not assuming a primary physical universe... precisely not. The idea is that self-awareness is ontologically primary and that this self-awareness, through its recursive structure, is awareness of all natural numbers (and possibly b

Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread Peter Sas
Hi Bruno, I am not assuming a primary physical universe... precisely not. The idea is that self-awareness is ontologically primary and that this self-awareness, through its recursive structure, is awareness of all natural numbers (and possibly beyond) and thus it computes. We could then say it

Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Aug 2015, at 12:06, Peter Sas wrote: Personally my brain stack overflows at about 3 or 4 levels of being aware that I am aware that ... I am aware. I think it would require infinite memory to truly be aware of an infinite number of steps in such a recursive relation. Maybe the infi

Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Peter, I have not much time, but why to assume a (primary) physical universe. There are no evdience for that. Also if my body is a machine", the universe cannot be a machine, unless I am the universe (which I doubt). "Computation" is a pre -mathematical concept, and actually, an arithm

Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread Peter Sas
Personally my brain stack overflows at about 3 or 4 levels of being aware that I am aware that ... I am aware. I think it would require infinite memory to truly be aware of an infinite number of steps in such a recursive relation. Maybe the infinite hierarchy doesn't have to be thought/remember

Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Peter Sas wrote: > I thought Tipler's theory is that there will be an actual physical > computer that will be able to do all possible computations as the Universe > collapses - although since he came up with the idea it has been shown that > the Universe won't col

Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread Peter Sas
I thought Tipler's theory is that there will be an actual physical computer that will be able to do all possible computations as the Universe collapses - although since he came up with the idea it has been shown that the Universe won't collapse in the required way. Yes, it's not Tipler's main t

Re: If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 26 August 2015 at 17:21, Peter Sas wrote: > Hi guys and girls, > > I'm sure this question has already come up many times before, but it's an > important one, so I guess it can't do any harm to go over it again. > > If the universe is thoroughly computational, what are the computations > 'runni

If the universe is computational, what is the computing platform? What are the options?

2015-08-26 Thread Peter Sas
Hi guys and girls, I'm sure this question has already come up many times before, but it's an important one, so I guess it can't do any harm to go over it again. If the universe is thoroughly computational, what are the computations 'running' on? What I especially like to know is what options ar