Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:25 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > >> > >> I would say that, under these definitions, the correct scientific >> s >> tance is to be agnostic. > > > Does the agnostic or the atheist have > the correct scientific > > stan

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-07 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/7/2017 10:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This world. The one I can interact with. Ah! You mean this dream. yes, it looks we can share part of it, and interact with many users, like in second life. But to believe there is a primary world behind this requires an act of faith, and eventual

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-07 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/7/2017 9:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Which is exactly why I'm explicit in defining what the theism is that I consider preposterous and what other god ideas I'm merely agnostic about. Then Bruno criticizes me for "supporting" the former; rather than help him muddy the meaning of "God" so

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-07 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > ​> ​ > I would say that, under these definitions, the correct scientific > ​ s > tance is to be agnostic. > ​Does the agnostic or the atheist have the correct scientific ​ stance ​regarding a teapot in orbit around Uranus? I like what the

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-07 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/7/2017 2:16 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Yes. The relation of mathematics to facts in the world is one of description. That a dx/dt = -x has a decaying exponential as a solution is not a fact about the world. As any engineer will tell you, it means that if the differential equation is a goo

Re: An invisible amoral mindless metaphorical form of arithmetic, aka "God"

2017-02-07 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > ​>​ >> ​>​ >> Abandon the assumption that "he" will have a unique successor because >> it's just not true anymore. > > > ​> ​ > Right, from the third person points of view that he can have about > himself, or better himselves. > ​No idea wh

Re: An invisible amoral mindless metaphorical form of arithmetic, aka "God"

2017-02-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Feb 2017, at 04:09, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​ ​ ​>> ​I am right here in Helsinki right now, ​> ​OK. ​>> ​in the future what one and only one city will I see after the experiment ​is over? ​> ​That is the question. OK. ​Yes​ ​> ​Not

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Feb 2017, at 23:32, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/6/2017 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: As such it has nothing to do with facts in the world. Which world? This world. The one I can interact with. Ah! You mean this dream. yes, it looks we can share part of it, and interact with man

Re: An invisible amoral mindless metaphorical form of arithmetic, aka "God"

2017-02-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Feb 2017, at 20:28, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/6/2017 4:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: because, by computationalism, we know that each copies will feel seeing only one city. How does computationalism alone guarantee that? It seems that it relies on a lot of physical assumptions about

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Feb 2017, at 20:22, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/6/2017 2:39 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/5/2017 3:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Inconsistent? Would you have people who oppose fascism not have a definition of fascism - so that they w

Re: Boltzmann Brains rule out any theory?

2017-02-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Feb 2017, at 18:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Mon., 6 Feb. 2017 at 11:06 pm, Ronald Held wrote: Why Boltzmann Brains Are Bad Authors: Sean M. Carroll Comments: 27 pages. Invited submission to a volume on Current Controversies in Philosophy of Science, eds. Shamik Dasgupta and Br

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Lol. There is no way to avoid the absolute since nothing can be based on nothing,. In this case you reify nothing, which is purely negative, as absence of anything,, and convert it to "something". And this something that you implicitly postulate is an absolute ethical principle of humility, which

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/6/2017 2:39 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 2/5/2017 3:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Inconsistent? Would you have people who oppose fascism not have a >