Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno! >> Evolution is a theory on the origins of biological complexity. We know >> nothing about consciousness. > > > > Do you agree that consciousness is a form of knowledge? That is: > consciousness requires some knowledge, and (genuine) knowledge requires some > conscious person)? I agree,

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: ​> ​ > I always have a hard time seeing consciousness as causal. ​Why, where is the mystery? If external information didn't CAUSE your consciousness to change you might as well be blind and deaf, ​and if consciousness didn't CAUSE external

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 at 18:17, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > ​> ​ > I always have a hard time seeing consciousness as causal. > > > ​Why, where is the mystery? If external information didn't CAUSE your > consciousness to change you might as well

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 Telmo Menezes wrote: ​ > ​>> ​ >> ​Why, where is the mystery? If external information didn't CAUSE your >> consciousness to change you might as well be blind and deaf, ​and if >> consciousness didn't CAUSE external things to change you might as well be >> paralyzed from the n

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/25/2017 11:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 at 18:17, John Clark > wrote: On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Telmo Menezes mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com>> wrote: ​> ​ I always have a hard time seeing consciousness as ca

Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> ​>​ >> The difference is that the billions of theists on the round thing > > we walk on still use "God" to be the Abrahamic superbeing. > > ​> ​ > Really? Interesting. Maybe they are right or close to right. ​T​ here is no "maybe" abo

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
This just my opinion, this, not being by necessity a permanent conclusion on my part, however, it seems to me that the conscious that we experience is basically, why the old philosophers called, material. Modern brain scientists would conclude in the type of brain cells, maybe Spindle Cells, th