Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 1:07:33 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 4:04 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 12:54:42 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> On 9/6/2019 10:21 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sean Carroll is on a nationwide speakin

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 4:04 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 12:54:42 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 9/6/2019 10:21 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Sean Carroll is on a nationwide speaking tour now evangelizing Many >> Worlds. >> >> What is the predictive power of Ma

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 3:54 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 9/6/2019 10:21 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Sean Carroll is on a nationwide speaking tour now evangelizing Many Worlds. > > What is the predictive power of Many Worlds? > > > None, unl

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 12:54:42 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/6/2019 10:21 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 12:14:07 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/6/2019 9:51 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> > >> > I would put "Horganism" another way. >

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 9/6/2019 10:21 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 12:14:07 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 9/6/2019 9:51 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > I would put "Horganism" another way. > > Science tells stories/theories, and some are successful in their > app

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 12:14:07 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/6/2019 9:51 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > I would put "Horganism" another way. > > > > Science tells stories/theories, and some are successful in their > > application. But we don't know if any of the stories a

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 9/6/2019 9:51 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: I would put "Horganism" another way. Science tells stories/theories, and some are successful in their application. But we don't know if any of the stories are the final ones to be told, or even close to being final. (They probably are not.) There

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread Philip Thrift
I would put "Horganism" another way. Science tells stories/theories, and some are successful in their application. But we don't know if any of the stories are the final ones to be told, or even close to being final. (They probably are not.) There is no settled story of gravity yet, much less c

Re: How to estimate the total energy of the visible universe

2019-09-06 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 1:38:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 4:06:53 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 2:52 PM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> *> It's claimed the energy is undefined in GR. Regardless, what I am >>> tr

Re: How to estimate the total energy of the visible universe

2019-09-06 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 2:37:07 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:48:15 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 4:08:58 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >>> >>> You also have to include the total gravita

Re: How to estimate the total energy of the visible universe

2019-09-06 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 1:32:24 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 2:37:07 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:48:15 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 4:08:58

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 5:26 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hogan is a pessimist when it comes to human ability to understand new > things. He has this "end of science" bug, and I will confess that I suppose > science will end. In fact I have doubts about Homo sapi

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
Horgan is wrong because he's apparently never really examined what sceintific "comprehension" consists of.   It is the ability to tell a consistent story about what happens that has predictive power. It's not necessarily a story that satisfies people pre-conceptions of what story would be enter

Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Hogan is a pessimist when it comes to human ability to understand new things. He has this "end of science" bug, and I will confess that I suppose science will end. In fact I have doubts about Homo sapiens being around before long, so science will clearly at least go down with us. However, I see

"The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan)

2019-09-06 Thread Philip Thrift
via John Horgan @Horganism *The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience* *As time passes, the claim that science can comprehend everything looks increasingly nutty* By John Horgan on September 4, 2019 Does anyone still believe that science can explain, well, everything? This belief was ascendant

Re: Observation versus assumption

2019-09-06 Thread PGC
On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 5:25:59 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 4 Sep 2019, at 17:43, PGC > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 4:52:58 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 2 Sep 2019, at 21:48, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 2, 2019 a

Re: It's all in your head

2019-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 Sep 2019, at 22:11, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 12:22:11 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 4 Sep 2019, at 15:52, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 2:37:52 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 3 Sep 2019

Re: The Neuroscience of Reality

2019-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Evgenii, If you have been able to read that paper, maybe you could try to sum up the main point? Especially if you find it convincing. Bruno > On 5 Sep 2019, at 19:53, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > Didn't read it as it was behind a paywall. > > Brent > > On 9/5/2019 9:5