Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 1:42:20 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 9:25:11 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: >>> >>> That's such a silly argument. This only proves there are inte

Re: Something deeply hidden in the forest

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:22 AM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 6:07 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > >> That statement is worse than false, you're talking logical nonsense. >>> The photograph itself contains which way information, if the photo has no >>> interference pattern then you

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 9:25:11 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >> That's such a silly argument. This only proves there are interactions >> between consciousnesses. >> >> On Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:25:04

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

On 10/22/2019 4:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It can be proved that we cannot explain (or prove the existence) of a universal machinery without assuming one, so we cannot do better. But that's equally true of primary matter, ideas, or whatever your fundamental ontology is.  It's just a conseq

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 9:25:11 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > > That's such a silly argument. This only proves there are interactions > between consciousnesses. > > On Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:25:04 UTC+3, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> >> I think Samuel Johnson had a good reply to Bis

Re: Something deeply hidden in the forest

> Il 22 ottobre 2019 alle 10.14 Philip Thrift ha > scritto: > > "Nor do they demonstrate ‘temporal nonlocality’ in their ‘delayed choice’ > form, beyond standard EPR correlations." > > or > > "Nor do they demonstrate ‘temporal nonlocality’ in their ‘delayed choice’ > form beyon

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

That's such a silly argument. This only proves there are interactions between consciousnesses. On Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:25:04 UTC+3, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > > I think Samuel Johnson had a good reply to Bishop Berkeley on refuting > idealism, "If I kick this rock thusly," which Johnson

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

Not my consciousness, but consciousness generally. On Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:06:02 UTC+3, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > You posit *consciousness is all there is*. > > How do you account for it having a finite existence (bounded by birth to > death of an individual)? > > With matter, there is an

Re: Something deeply hidden in the forest

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 6:07 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> That statement is worse than false, you're talking logical nonsense. The >> photograph itself contains which way information, if the photo has no >> interference pattern then you know the photon went through one and only one >> slit, and if

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 6:59:52 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Oct 2019, at 13:06, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 4:55:33 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >> I never understood this "if consciousness is all there is, then it is >> allpowerfu

Re: Superposition Misinterpreted

> On 21 Oct 2019, at 13:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:18 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > As you seem to disbelieve in the mechanist theory of mind, there is no > problem with your approach, even less if you limit yourself to the study of > lo

Re: Superposition Misinterpreted

> On 21 Oct 2019, at 13:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:08 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > As you cannot track the behaviour of all molecules, you are unable to extract > interference pattern from that superposition, and it will look like a mixe

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

> On 22 Oct 2019, at 13:06, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 4:55:33 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > I never understood this "if consciousness is all there is, then it is > allpowerful". How does that follow ? > > You posit consciousness is all there is. > > How

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

> On 22 Oct 2019, at 08:47, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > Prove there is something outside consciousness! In which theory? Proving is a relative notion. Proving a proposition does not make it necessarily true? It depends on the axioms, which usually are not provable or ju

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

> On 21 Oct 2019, at 14:12, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > Probably the single big confusion that lead to the creation of materialism is > the confusion between ontological states and their epistemic content. People > experienced the ontological state with epistemic content o

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 1:47:58 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > > Prove there is something outside consciousness! > I think Samuel Johnson had a good reply to Bishop Berkeley on refuting idealism, "If I kick this rock thusly," which Johnson did, "It then kicks back." This is not a comple

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 4:55:33 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > > I never understood this "if consciousness is all there is, then it is > allpowerful". How does that follow ? > You posit *consciousness is all there is*. How do you account for it having a finite existence (bounded by bi

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

I never understood this "if consciousness is all there is, then it is allpowerful". How does that follow ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ev

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

If consciousness is all there is, then why do our consciousnesses don't go back 100 years, or 1 years, or whatever? Do you think yours does? If there were no material births (because there is no matter), there is no reason you you shouldn't remember things from millions of years ago, beca

Re: Something deeply hidden in the forest

On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 5:42:46 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > Here's a good paper analyzing the experiment and showing it's entirely > explained just by the non-local correlation which is exemplified in the > effect of the space-like measurement choice. > > https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/pap