Re: Maxwell's Equations and Black Body radiation

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 10:33 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > *No point in arguing with a dishonest person. AG * I agree, Mr.Carl Sagan co-author. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and s

Re: Gödel's Miracle and Why Conventionalism makes no sense in Computer Science

> On 5 Jun 2020, at 13:34, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:47:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 4 Jun 2020, at 22:33, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> Years ago I wrote about the Zetans >> >> >> http://poesophicalbits.blogspot.com/2012/04/person

Re: Gödel's Miracle and Why Conventionalism makes no sense in Computer Science

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:57:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Jun 2020, at 00:39, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 6:07:45 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> > On 2 Jun 2020, at 19:34, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com

Re: Gödel's Miracle and Why Conventionalism makes no sense in Computer Science

> On 5 Jun 2020, at 21:10, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/5/2020 2:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 4 Jun 2020, at 20:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/4/2020 4:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 2 Jun 2020, at 19:34, 'B

Re: Gödel's Miracle and Why Conventionalism makes no sense in Computer Science

> On 5 Jun 2020, at 21:13, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/5/2020 2:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 4 Jun 2020, at 20:35, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/4/2020 4:27 AM, Bruno

Re: The size of the universe

> On 5 Jun 2020, at 19:11, smitra wrote: > > On 05-06-2020 18:07, Jason Resch wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:16 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:51 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:59 A

Re: quote from Hardy

> On 5 Jun 2020, at 21:42, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > Bruno quotes: > > "Of this reality, as I explained […], I take a 'realistic" view. At any rate > (and this is my main point) this realistic view is much more plausible of > mathematical than of physical reality, becau

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

> On 5 Jun 2020, at 23:36, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > ref (article by Jim Baggott): > > > https://medium.com/@MassimoPigliucci/the-copenhagen-confusion-611f31cc27e1 > > > https://twitter.com/philipcball/status/1268950876405850112 >

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 6:10:46 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Jun 2020, at 23:36, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > ref (article by Jim Baggott): > > > https://medium.com/@MassimoPigliucci/the-copenhagen-confusion-611f31cc27e1 > > > https://twitter.com/philipcball/status/12

Re: Maxwell's Equations and Black Body radiation

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 4:23:54 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 10:33 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > *No point in arguing with a dishonest person. AG * > > > I agree, Mr.Carl Sagan co-author. > the > John K Clark > There's a simple choice in this matter. Someone who

Re: Maxwell's Equations and Black Body radiation

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:44 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > *There's a simple choice in this matter. Someone who denies that QM has > postulates from which the HUP is implied, either knows little or nothing > about QM, or won't acknowledge it due to dishonesty. AG * > Mr.Carl Sagan co-author, you can p

Re: Maxwell's Equations and Black Body radiation

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 7:03:02 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:44 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > *There's a simple choice in this matter. Someone who denies that QM has >> postulates from which the HUP is implied, either knows little or nothing >> about QM, or wo

Re: Maxwell's Equations and Black Body radiation

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:21 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > >> Oh and you forgot IHA. >> > > IHA =? AG > Mr.Carl Sagan co-author, it means I Hate Acronyms. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 3:36:43 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > ref (article by Jim Baggott): > > > https://medium.com/@MassimoPigliucci/the-copenhagen-confusion-611f31cc27e1 > > > https://twitter.com/philipcball/status/1268950876405850112 > > Jim Baggott Retweeted > Philip Ball @

Re: Maxwell's Equations and Black Body radiation

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 7:31:44 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:21 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > >> >> Oh and you forgot IHA. >>> >> > > > IHA =? AG >> > > Mr.Carl Sagan co-author, it means I Hate Acronyms. > > John K Clark > Is "HUP" beyond your pay grade? Fur

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:13 AM Philip Thrift wrote: > *The wavefunction is not a physical thing - so whether it collapses is > irrelevant.* If the wavefunction is not a physical thing then it's just a useful calculating device. OK fine, but there are times, such as when an observation is made,

Re: The size of the universe

On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: There obviously do exist quantum fluctuations. A down to Earth example is Johnson noise. Connect a sensitive voltmeter to a resistor and you'll detect fluctuations in the voltage. The average voltage is zero

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

In some ways this is a no-brainer. The Copenhagen interpretation is ψ-epistemic which means there is fundamentally no wave function. The occurrence of eigenstates or their eigenvalues under certain operators in a measurement is then something that really has no collapse because the wave functio

Re: Maxwell's Equations and Black Body radiation

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:43 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > *Kepler deduced from measurements that Mars has an elliptical orbit, > whereas Newton's law of gravitation implies much more; namely, that they > can move in conic sections.* If gravity is an inverse square law that follows Newton's rules an

Re: The size of the universe

On 06-06-2020 12:57, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Jun 2020, at 19:11, smitra wrote: On 05-06-2020 18:07, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:51 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 20

Re: Gödel's Miracle and Why Conventionalism makes no sense in Computer Science

On 6/6/2020 3:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The axioms that I use are just Kxy = x, and Sxyz = xz(yz). But you allow rules of inference that permit inferences about the enumerated array of all functions. Right. Here is the complete set of ontological assumptions: AXIOMS KAB = A SABC = AC(BC)

Re: Gödel's Miracle and Why Conventionalism makes no sense in Computer Science

On 6/6/2020 3:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Jun 2020, at 21:13, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/5/2020 2:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 4 Jun 2020, at 20:35, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Maxwell's Equations and Black Body radiation

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 8:09:14 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:43 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > *Kepler deduced from measurements that Mars has an elliptical orbit, >> whereas Newton's law of gravitation implies much more; namely, that they >> can move in conic

Re: quote from Hardy

On 6/6/2020 4:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Jun 2020, at 21:42, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: Bruno quotes: "Of this reality, as I explained […], I take a 'realistic" view. At any rate (and this is my main point) this realistic vie

Re: Maxwell's Equations and Black Body radiation

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:08 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *>No point in arguing with bias and stupidity.* You're right again Mr.Carl Sagan co-author. John K Clark > > On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 8:09:14 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:43 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

On 6/6/2020 5:13 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 6:10:46 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Jun 2020, at 23:36, Philip Thrift > wrote: ref (article by Jim Baggott): https://medium.com/@MassimoPigliucci/the-copenhagen-confusion-611f31cc27e1

Re: Maxwell's Equations and Black Body radiation

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 11:15:12 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:08 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *>No point in arguing with bias and stupidity.* > > > You're right again Mr.Carl Sagan co-author. > > John K Clark > You mean no perfect conic sections as orbits? That'

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/6/2020 7:34 AM, smitra wrote: On 06-06-2020 12:57, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Jun 2020, at 19:11, smitra wrote: On 05-06-2020 18:07, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:51 PM

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

Il 6 giugno 2020 alle 14.13 Philip Thrift ha scritto: The best comment by a physicists (Associate Professor, Monash University) in the discussion thread: The wavefunction is not a physical thing - so whether it collapses is irrelevant. At least one physicist not brainwashed into the current

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

As for Hossenfelder's fav quantum mechanics semantics, she has stated many times on her blog, it's superdeterminism. https://arxiv.org/abs/1912.06462 "A superdeterministic theory is one which violates the assumption of Statistical Independence (that distributions of hidden variables are ind

Re: The size of the universe

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:54 PM smitra wrote: > On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: > > >> These fluctuations at zero temperature are what we call "quantum > >> fluctuations" > >> in physics. > > > > I think you are confusing the zero point

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 11:29:02 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/6/2020 5:13 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 6:10:46 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Jun 2020, at 23:36, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> ref (article by Jim Baggott): >> >>

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

On 6/6/2020 7:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 11:29:02 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 6/6/2020 5:13 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 6:10:46 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Jun 2020, at 23:36, Philip Thrift wrote:

Re: The size of the universe

On Saturday, June 6, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:54 PM smitra wrote: > >> On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: >> >> >> These fluctuations at zero temperature are what we call "quantum >> >> fluctuations" >> >> in

Re: The size of the universe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:13 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Saturday, June 6, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:54 PM smitra wrote: >> >>> On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: >>> >>> >> These fluctuations at zero tempe

Re: The size of the universe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:39 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:13 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Saturday, June 6, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:54 PM smitra wrote: >>> On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3: