Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 12:06 PM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 9:46 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > > *>>> Explaining the values of the probabilities isn't the problem with MWI, it's explaining that there are probabilities* >>> >>> >>> >> That's easy in MWI. Probabilities

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread John Clark
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 9:46 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: *>>> Explaining the values of the probabilities isn't the problem with >>> MWI, it's explaining that there are probabilities* >> >> >> >> That's easy in MWI. Probabilities exist because until you actually >> look at it there is no way

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 22:09, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 4:27 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > *> Explaining the values of the probabilities isn't the problem with MWI, >> it's explaining that there are probabilities* > > > That's easy in MWI. Probabilities exist because until

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 5:51 AM smitra wrote: > On 12-05-2022 22:18, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > I agree. And in fact SE fails all the time. It fails to predict a > > definite outcome...which is OK if you accept probabilistic theories. > > Physics doesn't work in this way. You always need to

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread Brent Meeker
On 5/13/2022 11:47 AM, smitra wrote: On 12-05-2022 22:18, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/12/2022 11:17 AM, smitra wrote: On 11-05-2022 23:02, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/11/2022 11:51 AM, smitra wrote: On 11-05-2022 07:25, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 3:11 PM smitra wrote: On

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread Brent Meeker
On 5/13/2022 12:32 PM, smitra wrote: On 12-05-2022 22:27, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/12/2022 11:42 AM, smitra wrote: All that the experiments demonstrate is that the wave function evolves unitarily between state preparation and measurement. This is most easily accounted for by assuming that

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread smitra
On 12-05-2022 22:18, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/12/2022 11:17 AM, smitra wrote: On 11-05-2022 23:02, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/11/2022 11:51 AM, smitra wrote: On 11-05-2022 07:25, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 3:11 PM smitra wrote: On 11-05-2022 06:06, Bruce Kellett wrote: On

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread smitra
On 13-05-2022 14:08, John Clark wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 4:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: _> Explaining the values of the probabilities isn't the problem with MWI, it's explaining that there ARE probabilities_ That's easy in MWI. Probabilities exist because until you actually look at it

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread smitra
On 13-05-2022 02:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 5:22 AM smitra wrote: On 12-05-2022 00:44, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/11/2022 1:06 PM, smitra wrote: There is effective collapse in experiments we do, but the experiments nevertheless demonstrate that the fundamental

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread smitra
On 13-05-2022 02:50, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 5:57 AM smitra wrote: On 12-05-2022 01:36, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 9:24 AM smitra wrote: On 11-05-2022 07:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: Who proved that the universe was finite? If it's infinite, one can

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread smitra
On 12-05-2022 22:39, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/12/2022 12:08 PM, smitra wrote: On 12-05-2022 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 9:08 AM smitra wrote: On 11-05-2022 08:14, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 3:39 PM Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/10/2022 9:43 PM,

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread smitra
On 12-05-2022 22:27, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/12/2022 11:42 AM, smitra wrote: All that the experiments demonstrate is that the wave function evolves unitarily between state preparation and measurement. This is most easily accounted for by assuming that the wave function is a purely epistemic

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread smitra
On 12-05-2022 22:23, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/12/2022 11:27 AM, smitra wrote: On 12-05-2022 00:44, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/11/2022 1:06 PM, smitra wrote: That's complete and audacious question begging.  What you mean by "real" is "modeled within the SE".  There is NOTHING BUT collapse

RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-13 Thread Philip Benjamin
[Philip Benjamin] Samiya Illias may be right, but who cares for the Bible? Islam consider it as a lost Book, with the current copies as all fake. See below what modern Judaism views about the Torah. Whe America was founded there were > 98.8% Protestants, <1% Roman Catholics and < 0.2% Jews

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

2022-05-13 Thread John Clark
On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:54 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote: > *>If simple creatures like worms or insects are conscious, (because they >> have brains, and evolved), then wouldn't these artificial life

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-05-13 Thread John Clark
On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 4:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> Explaining the values of the probabilities isn't the problem with MWI, > it's explaining that there are probabilities* That's easy in MWI. Probabilities exist because until you actually look at it there is no way to know if you are the