Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:00 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: * >>> I can arrange for any probability between zero and one of seeing a >>> live cat. Whereas, if there is always a live cat branch and a dead cat >>> branch, my probability of seeing a live cat is always 50%, contrary to the >>> laws of radio

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Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/28/2023 4:28 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:00 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: />>> I can arrange for any probability between zero and one of seeing a live cat. Whereas, if there is always a live cat branch and a dead cat branch, my probabil

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:22 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > That is incorrect. Schrodinger's equation, the thing that generates the >> complex wave function, says nothing, absolutely nothing, about that wave >> function collapsing, So if you don't like philosophical paradoxes but still >> want to us

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/28/2023 1:33 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:22 PM Brent Meeker wrote: That is incorrect. Schrodinger'sequation, the thing that generates the complex wave function, says nothing, absolutely nothing, about that wave function collapsing, So i

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 4:55 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/28/2023 1:33 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:22 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > >> > > That is incorrect. Schrodinger's equation, the thing that generates the >>> complex wave function, says nothing, absolutely n

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 8:55 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > On 11/28/2023 1:33 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:22 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> That is incorrect. Schrodinger's equation, the thing that generates the >>> complex wave function, says nothing, absolutely nothing, abou

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:55 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> If you're an engineer and are only interested in finding the correct >> answer to a given problem then Shut Up And Calculate works just fine. >> MWI is only needed if you're curious and want to look under the hood to >> figure out what could

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 8:58 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 4:55 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> On 11/28/2023 1:33 PM, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:22 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> That is incorrect. Schrodinger's equation, the thing that generates the

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:00 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> John is doing a lot of flailing around in an attempt to avoid the > question of where the Born Rule comes from, and the fact that it is > actually incompatible with the many worlds approach.* > How so? John K ClarkSee what's on my new

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:07 AM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:55 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > >> If you're an engineer and are only interested in finding the correct >>> answer to a given problem then Shut Up And Calculate works just fine. >>> MWI is only needed if you're curiou

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/28/2023 1:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 4:55 PM Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/28/2023 1:33 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:22 PM Brent Meeker wrote: That is incorrect. Schrodinger'sequation, the thing that gen

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:10 AM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:00 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> John is doing a lot of flailing around in an attempt to avoid the >> question of where the Born Rule comes from, and the fact that it is >> actually incompatible with the many worlds

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:08 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> the Born Rule is a necessary additional hypothesis in order to connect > the theory with experiment.* > True, and for that reason theory does not have to derive the Born Rule, but theory does have to be compatible with it. > > You have

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:21 AM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:08 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> the Born Rule is a necessary additional hypothesis in order to connect >> the theory with experiment.* >> > > True, and for that reason theory does not have to derive the Born Rule,

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:14 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> Given a long series of N spin measurements, MWI says that there is > always one person who sees N spin-ups. Since this observation is certain, > it has probability one. Whereas the Born probability of seeing N ups is > 1/2^N. A clear contrad

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:14 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> Given a long series of N spin measurements, MWI says that there is >> always one person who sees N spin-ups. Since this observation is certain, >> it has probability one. Whereas the

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:28 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> Everettians have to derive the Born rule * Nobody needs to derive the Born rule because we know from experiment that it's true, a quantum interpretation just needs to be compatible with it, and MWI certainly is. John K ClarkSee what

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:35 AM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:28 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> Everettians have to derive the Born rule * > > > Nobody needs to derive the Born rule because we know from experiment that > it's true, a quantum interpretation just needs to be com

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:34 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> The probability that Bruce Kellett will see N spin-ups is indeed one. >> However the probability that you will see N spin-ups is not. As I >> mentioned before, for this sort of discussion the way the English language >> handles personal pr

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:41 AM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:34 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > >> The probability that Bruce Kellett will see N spin-ups is indeed one. >>> However the probability that you will see N spin-ups is not. As I >>> mentioned before, for this sort of d

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:12 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/28/2023 1:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 4:55 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 11/28/2023 1:33 PM, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:22 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> That

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 09:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:14 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >> *> Given a long series of N spin measurements, MWI says that there is >>> always one person who sees N spin-ups. Since this o

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:25 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:12 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> On 11/28/2023 1:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 4:55 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> On 11/28/2023 1:33 PM, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:22 

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:40 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 09:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:14 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> >>> *> Given a long series of N spin measurements, MWI say

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 10:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:40 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 09:34, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: >>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:14 PM Bruce Kellett wr

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:13 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 10:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:40 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 09:34, Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:29 AM John Clark

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 11:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:13 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 10:53, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:40 AM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 09:34, Bruce Kell

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/28/2023 3:25 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:12 PM Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/28/2023 1:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 4:55 PM Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/28/2023 1:33 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:25 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 11:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:13 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 10:53, Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:40 AM Stathis P

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/28/2023 4:32 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:25 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 11:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:13 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 10:53, Bruce K

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 11:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:25 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 11:17, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:13 AM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 10:53, Bruce Kell

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 11:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:25 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 11:17, Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:13 AM Stathis P