Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

> On 28 Jan 2021, at 2:49 pm, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 1/27/2021 5:11 PM, Pierz Newton-John wrote: >> I’m not saying decoherence is reversible. I’ve corrected myself (or accepted >> your correction) on that poin

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

> On 28 Jan 2021, at 12:02 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 11:47 AM Pierz Newton-John <mailto:pier...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On 28 Jan 2021, at 11:32 am, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 28

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

> On 28 Jan 2021, at 11:32 am, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 11:20 AM Pierz Newton-John <mailto:pier...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On 28 Jan 2021, at 11:03 am, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

> On 28 Jan 2021, at 11:03 am, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:44 AM smitra > wrote: > > FAPP, therefore not well defined at all. Sticking to FAPP you could > never have discovered Special Relativity, General Relativity, found the > correct way t

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 6:36 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:27:43 AM UTC-7 Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:34, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> Why not assume the wf applies only before the measurement? >> >> >> That’s Bohr idea. But it means that meas

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

> On 26 Jan 2021, at 12:39 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 1:23:07 PM UTC-7 Brent wrote: > > > On 1/25/2021 5:39 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 12:59:02 PM UTC-7 Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 1/20/2021 3:58 AM, John Clark wro

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 10:23 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 1:34:29 AM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 6:29 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:08:21 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: >>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 4:01 pm,

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 6:29 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: > On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:08:21 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 4:01 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 11:46:35 AM UTC-7 johnk...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 12

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 4:01 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: > On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 11:46:35 AM UTC-7 johnk...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 12:54 PM Alan Grayson >> wrote: >> >> *> So contrary to some who think I know zilch about the MWI, I DO know >>> what world I am in ! I

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 8:25 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 11:00:46 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: > >> One needs to mention Frauchiger and Renner’s result here, which makes >> rigorous the intuitive “Wigner’s friend” type argument and shows that a >> single-world QM is incon

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 5:36 pm, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 1/17/2021 10:00 PM, Pierz Newton-John wrote: > > One needs to mention Frauchiger and Renner’s result here, which makes > rigorous the intuiti

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

I forgot to add the link. I’m sure it’s been shared here before and probably dissected to death: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05739-8 On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 5:00 pm, Pierz Newton-John wrote: > One needs to mention Frauchiger and Renner’s result here, which makes > rigoro

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

One needs to mention Frauchiger and Renner’s result here, which makes rigorous the intuitive “Wigner’s friend” type argument and shows that a single-world QM is inconsistent, given some very broad and sensible-sounding parameters, like “quantum mechanics describes reality at all scales” and “no sup

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 10:15 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 9:55:50 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: > >> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 3:10 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:28:14 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: >>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 3:49 am

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 3:10 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:28:14 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: > >> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 3:49 am, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> *What would be the mechanism or process for other worlds to interact >>> with each other, that is to interfere

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

es the state of M. What MWI says is that M remains in a superposition of all outcomes until M’ interacts with it. The stipulation that e an M are in a definite, singular state before being measured is a red herring. > > > Il 16/01/2021 13:25 Pierz Newton-John ha scritto: > > &

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 3:49 am, Alan Grayson wrote: > *What would be the mechanism or process for other worlds to interact with > each other, that is to interfere with each other? This is the gorilla in > the room that many MWI enthusiasts ignore; awesome speculation with zero > grounding in empi

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 at 8:16 pm, 'scerir' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Pierz wrote: "If you want to argue against the internal logic of MWI, you > have to start by accepting what it proposes then proceeding to demonstrate > how that leads to internal inconsistenc

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 at 2:18 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 6:16:25 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: > >> On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 at 5:56 am, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 11:36:39 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: >>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 at 4:01 pm,

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 at 5:56 am, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 11:36:39 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: > >> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 at 4:01 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 3:15:47 PM UTC-7, Pierz wrote: On Thursday, Janua

Re: Born's rule from almost nothing

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 at 4:01 pm, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 3:15:47 PM UTC-7, Pierz wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 11:07:59 PM UTC+11 agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 2:26:42 AM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: >>> On