Re: Platonism vs Realism WAS: ROADMAP (well, not yet really...

2006-08-18 Thread complexitystudies
I think it has been said several times : The existence of a number/arithmetical proposition is the fact that its existence/truth does not depend on the fact that you exist/that it exists conscious beings capable of thinking of it. So the truth value of a proposition is independant of

Re: Platonism vs Realism WAS: ROADMAP (well, not yet really...

2006-08-18 Thread complexitystudies
1Z wrote: Not even remotely. I fact, what I have said can be written as two valid syllogisms. Existence is availability for causal interaction Numbers are not available for causal interaction Numbers do not exist Platonism is the claim that numbers exist Numbers do not exist

Re: Platonism vs Realism WAS: ROADMAP (well, not yet really...

2006-08-18 Thread complexitystudies
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 17-août-06, à 00:14, complexitystudies a écrit : I recall it is just the belief that the propositions of elementary arithmetic are independent of you. Do you sincerley belief that 37 could be a non prime number? Or that the square root of 2 can equal to a ratio

Platonism vs Realism WAS: ROADMAP (well, not yet really...

2006-08-16 Thread complexitystudies
Hi Bruno, Again we are discussing the arithmetical realism (which I just assume). A bold assumption, if I may say so. To be clear on that hypothesis, I do indeed find plausible that the number six is perfect, even in the case the branes would not have collide, no big bang, no physical

Re: ROADMAP (well, not yet really...

2006-08-15 Thread complexitystudies
Hello to the List :-) The deductions made via UDA are impressing, but I would like to seriously question the Platonic Assumptions underlying all this reasoning. Arguments like the perfectness of 6 seem sensible at first sight, but only because we look at this with human eyes. 1) Mathematical