Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-07-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-juil.-07, à 23:01, John Mikes a écrit : > Bruno, I will "Wiki" the Church thesis - now it is too hot around here. > Besides: your "slip" is showing (if you know this US-expression): > "...the most universal physics capable of being conceived." > Physix is a human figment, as we try to exoka

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-07-27 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, I will "Wiki" the Church thesis - now it is too hot around here. Besides: your "slip" is showing (if you know this US-expression): "...the most universal physics capable of being conceived." Physix is a human figment, as we try to exokain (and conceive?) certain partially observed phenomena

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-07-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Thanks for your gentle remarks. I will comment your last remark. Le 27-juil.-07, à 02:59, John Mikes a écrit : > Bruno, > thanks for your detailed reply to my 6-09-07 post which I read only > 7-26-09 for stupid reasons: I fell into a list with 100+ posts a day - > many political and very informa

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-07-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juil.-07, à 00:16, Tom Caylor a écrit : > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Le 08-juin-07, à 20:17, Tom Caylor a écrit : >> >> >>> I should respond to your response. I'm in a busy pensive state >>> lately, reading Theaetetus (as you suggested on the Incompleteness >>> thread) along with Protagora

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-07-26 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, thanks for your detailed reply to my 6-09-07 post which I read only 7-26-09 for stupid reasons: I fell into a list with 100+ posts a day - many political and very informative - and it took my time and mental capacity. Also 2 other lists fleured up in topics I was involved strongly so when I

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-07-25 Thread Tom Caylor
Bruno Marchal wrote: > Le 08-juin-07, à 20:17, Tom Caylor a écrit : > > > > I should respond to your response. I'm in a busy pensive state > > lately, reading Theaetetus (as you suggested on the Incompleteness > > thread) along with Protagoras and some Aristotle (along with the dozen > > other bo

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-06-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 09-juin-07, à 22:38, John Mikes a écrit : > Bruno; > > how about adding to Tom's reality survey the anti Aeistotelian: > Reality is what we don't see? OK. That is how we could sum up Platonism. > We "get" a partial impact of the 'total' and interpret it 1st person > as our 'reality'

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-06-09 Thread John Mikes
Bruno; how about adding to Tom's reality survey the anti Aeistotelian: Reality is what we don't see? We "get" a partial impact of the 'total' and interpret it 1st person as our 'reality', as it was said some time ago here (Brent?) "perceived reality" what I really liked . Then came Colin with hi

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-06-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 08-juin-07, à 20:17, Tom Caylor a écrit : > I should respond to your response. I'm in a busy pensive state > lately, reading Theaetetus (as you suggested on the Incompleteness > thread) along with Protagoras and some Aristotle (along with the dozen > other books I'm always reading...) in th

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-06-08 Thread Brent Meeker
Tom Caylor wrote: ... > The above does not require physical reality, but only concepts that we > can think about looking inward (eyes closed view). But even though it > is "only" conceptual, my point is that we are taking a "leap of faith" > even when we talk about 1+1=2, classifying an infinite

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-06-08 Thread Tom Caylor
On May 25, 6:55 am, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le 25-mai-07, à 02:39, Tom Caylor a écrit : > > On May 16, 8:17 am, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > >> 0) historical background > > >> ARISTOTLE: reality = what you see > >> PLATO: what you see = shadows of shadows of

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-05-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 25-mai-07, à 02:39, Tom Caylor a écrit : > > On May 16, 8:17 am, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I take the opportunity that the list is calm to send a first >> approximation of a possibly extendable post which addresses the >> beginning of the background needed for the

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-05-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 24-mai-07, à 19:48, Mohsen Ravanbakhsh a écrit : > Hi Bruno, > > Thank you for the information. I understand these parts for the others > it seems I need to search in archives of the > list for some keywords that I do not understand. I'm not an old > member. No problem. You can always ask

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-05-25 Thread Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
Bruno, I have a criticism to your argument for teleportation. in the third step, Before the teleportation to cities A and B, you're assuming an uncertainty of first person in appearing in one of those cities. Suppose it to be A. *Where does this asymmetry come from?* I as the first person have bee

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-05-24 Thread Tom Caylor
On May 16, 8:17 am, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I take the opportunity that the list is calm to send a first > approximation of a possibly extendable post which addresses the > beginning of the background needed for the interview of the universal > machine on the physical la

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-05-24 Thread Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
Hi Bruno, Thank you for the information. I understand these parts for the others it seems I need to search in archives of the list for some keywords that I do not understand. I'm not an old member. I just wanted to say, most of links in your page lead to nowhere!(Error), It would be nice if you fi

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-05-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Mohsen, Le 22-mai-07, à 12:20, Mohsen Ravanbakhsh a écrit : > Hi Bruno, >   > My sixth sens says you're talking about something important :) but I > don't get it. Note that it could help me if you could be a little more specific. OK I see another post of you. > It could have been of

Re: Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-05-22 Thread Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
Hi Bruno, My sixth sens says you're talking about something important :) but I don't get it. It could have been of much more interest, if you could elaborate, or provide us with some references for each part of your argument.(Beginning from the 'OBVIOUS IMPORTANT QUESTION' it becomes vague for me)

Attempt toward a systematic description

2007-05-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi, I take the opportunity that the list is calm to send a first approximation of a possibly extendable post which addresses the beginning of the background needed for the interview of the universal machine on the physical laws. It also addresses some point relevant for discussing the link "fo