Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jul 2011, at 03:05, Stephen P. King wrote: On 7/24/2011 4:03 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jul 2011, at 19:14, Stephen P. King wrote: I found an alternative to this that does not assume P = NP and that an infinite computation can occur in 0 steps which I can show, at least in Leib

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/24/2011 4:03 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jul 2011, at 19:14, Stephen P. King wrote: I found an alternative to this that does not assume P = NP and that an infinite computation can occur in 0 steps which I can show, at least in Leibniz' case, is required. I might be simple of mind, b

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jul 2011, at 19:14, Stephen P. King wrote: I found an alternative to this that does not assume P = NP and that an infinite computation can occur in 0 steps which I can show, at least in Leibniz' case, is required. I might be simple of mind, but I have no clue how an infinite comput

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-24 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 7/24/2011 12:05 AM, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Stephen P. King > wrote: > >> On 7/23/2011 9:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> If you want to formulate block time without reifying spacetime, then >> jus

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/24/2011 3:13 AM, scerir wrote: Jesse: I think that would be the alternative to spacetime substantivalism known as "relationalism" (discussed in some of the papers I linked to), it's certainly possible as well, I think if we had a complete theory of quantum gravity it might naturally favo

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jul 24, 12:33 am, Jesse Mazer wrote: > I think that would be the alternative to spacetime substantivalism known as > "relationalism" (discussed in some of the papers I linked to), it's > certainly possible as well, I think if we had a complete theory of quantum > gravity it might naturally fav

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/24/2011 12:05 AM, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/23/2011 9:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: If you want to formulate block time without reifying spacetime, then just consider block time a collection o

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/24/2011 12:05 AM, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/23/2011 9:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: If you want to formulate block time without reifying spacetime, then just consider block time a collection o

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-24 Thread scerir
Jesse: I think that would be the alternative to spacetime substantivalism known as "relationalism" (discussed in some of the papers I linked to), it's certainly possible as well, I think if we had a complete theory of quantum gravity it might naturally favor one or the other (the way the relati

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > On Jul 24, 12:05 am, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > > Substantivalism doesn't treat spacetime as a "substance" in the sense of > > necessarily being made up of discrete grainy bits (which is all that the > > gamma ray prediction was meant to test,

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jul 24, 12:05 am, Jesse Mazer wrote: > Substantivalism doesn't treat spacetime as a "substance" in the sense of > necessarily being made up of discrete grainy bits (which is all that the > gamma ray prediction was meant to test, > seehttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110630111540.h

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 7/23/2011 9:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > If you want to formulate block time without reifying spacetime, then just > consider block time a collection of events separated by certain distances > and directions from eachother. You may

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > > Hi Jesse, > > We seem to be talking past each other. I am thinking about the notion > of time as a dimension and its origin and implications. You seem to just > assume its existence. I ask "why?". > > That's not how I interpreted

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/23/2011 11:25 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: Hi Jesse, On 7/22/2011 8:03 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > > On 7/22/2011 8:03 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> >> Hi Jason, >> >> None of those papers address the concern of narratability that I am >> considering. In

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/23/2011 9:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: If you want to formulate block time without reifying spacetime, then just consider block time a collection of events separated by certain distances and directions from eachother. You may be right that ultimately this is all related to a theory of observ

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 7/23/2011 3:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > >> On 7/22/2011 10:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Stephen P. King >> wrote: >> >>> On 7

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/23/2011 3:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/22/2011 10:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/22/201

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Jesse, On 7/22/2011 8:03 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: Hi Jason, None of those papers address the concern of narratability that I am considering. In fact they all assume narratability. I a

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 7/22/2011 10:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > >> On 7/22/2011 2:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Stephen P. King >> wrote: >> >>> On 7/

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-22 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > > Hi Jason, > > None of those papers address the concern of narratability that I am > considering. In fact they all assume narratability. I am pointing out that > thinking of time as a dimension has a big problem! It only works if all

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/22/2011 10:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/22/2011 2:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/22/20

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 7/22/2011 2:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Stephen P. King > wrote: > >> On 7/22/2011 1:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> All the relevant parts of relativity which imply block time have been >>>

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/22/2011 2:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 7/22/2011 1:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: All the relevant parts of relativity which imply block time have been confirmed. The above is like

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 7/22/2011 1:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> All the relevant parts of relativity which imply block time have been >> confirmed. The above is like arguing against gravity because Newton's >> theory wasn't compatible with the observati

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/22/2011 1:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: All the relevant parts of relativity which imply block time have been confirmed. The above is like arguing against gravity because Newton's theory wasn't compatible with the observations of Mercury's orbit. Hi Jason, Could you be more specific?