Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Oct 2012, at 23:09, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/17/2012 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:52, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/17/2012 2:07 AM, Russell Standish wrote: >The self is directly related to the Dx = "xx" trick, for me. The Dx=xx trick is about self-replicati

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Oct 2012, at 23:57, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 07:19:09PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:07, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote: So any self-

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 07:19:09PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:07, Russell Standish wrote: > > >On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >>On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote: > >>>So any self-organised system should be called al

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/17/2012 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:52, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/17/2012 2:07 AM, Russell Standish wrote: >The self is directly related to the Dx = "xx" trick, for me. The Dx=xx trick is about self-replication. Of course entities with a sense of the self/ot

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/17/2012 1:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:07, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: "Computational Autop

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
:51 Subject: Re: Computational Autopoetics 1 On 14 Oct 2012, at 22:44, Roger Clough wrote: "Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote applying basic concepts of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it more justice than I can. I canno

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:52, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/17/2012 2:07 AM, Russell Standish wrote: >The self is directly related to the Dx = "xx" trick, for me. The Dx=xx trick is about self-replication. Of course entities with a sense of the self/other distinction needn't replicate (eg certai

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:07, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: "Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote app

Re: Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Roger Clough
eiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-16, 09:34:51 Subject: Re: Computational Autopoetics 1 On 14 Oct 2012, at 22:44, Roger Clough wrote: > "Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote > applying basic

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-16 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/17/2012 2:07 AM, Russell Standish wrote: >The self is directly related to the Dx = "xx" trick, for me. The Dx=xx trick is about self-replication. Of course entities with a sense of the self/other distinction needn't replicate (eg certain robots). Hi, I have some papers and list post

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-16 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote: > > >On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: > >>"Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote > >>applying basic concepts > >>of autopoetics

Re: Re: Computational Secondness 1 (formerly Computational Autopoetics 1)

2012-10-16 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 07:58:35AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Russell Standish > > 1) It is a cruelty of nature to make the two IMHO most powerful thinkers > (Peirce and Leibniz) to be the two most difficult to understand. > I would not throw them out just yet. I'm not. But until someone c

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: "Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote applying basic concepts of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it more justice than I

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2012, at 22:44, Roger Clough wrote: "Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote applying basic concepts of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it more justice than I can. I cannot guarantee that the idea hasn't already been exploi

Re: Re: Computational Secondness 1 (formerly Computational Autopoetics 1)

2012-10-16 Thread Roger Clough
g the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-15, 18:05:59 Subject: Re: Computational Secondness 1 (formerly Computational Autopoetics 1) I'm more than happy for you to explore this, and report back when you can explain it in terms other than

Re: Computational Secondness 1 (formerly Computational Autopoetics 1)

2012-10-15 Thread Russell Standish
ontent - > From: Russell Standish > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-10-14, 17:27:50 > Subject: Re: Computational Autopoetics 1 > > On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: > > "Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coine

Computational Secondness 1 (formerly Computational Autopoetics 1)

2012-10-15 Thread Roger Clough
ceiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-14, 17:27:50 Subject: Re: Computational Autopoetics 1 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: > "Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote applying basic > concepts > of autopoetics to the fi

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-14 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: > "Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote applying basic > concepts > of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it > more justice > than I can. I cannot guarantee that the idea hasn'

Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-14 Thread Roger Clough
"Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote applying basic concepts of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it more justice than I can. I cannot guarantee that the idea hasn't already been exploited, but I have seen no indication of that. Th