Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 07:18 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 04:22:44PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following: On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread meekerdb
On 8/11/2012 11:28 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.08.2012 07:18 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 04:22:44PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following: On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 08:53 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 08:28:42AM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Okay. Let us take then a self-driving car. Is it intelligent? Evgenii Could be. A self-driving car that navigates a simple environment with beacons and constrained tracks

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 08:39 meekerdb said the following: On 8/11/2012 11:28 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.08.2012 07:18 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 04:22:44PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following: On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM,

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 08:48:06AM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Please look at self-driving cars from the Standford course on AI: http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2011/12/self-driving-cars.html The question however, how you define intelligence so that to make such a self-driving car more

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 09:45 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 08:48:06AM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Please look at self-driving cars from the Standford course on AI: http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2011/12/self-driving-cars.html The question however, how you define intelligence so

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Aug 2012, at 10:30, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is unintelligent. The study of artificial life by the same reason

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:05:20AM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: However, without such a measure, a statement that life is mostly unintelligent is ill-defined. Informal perhaps, but hardly ill-defined. Much the same could be said about the concept life. In general, if we assume inexorable

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 11:06 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 11 Aug 2012, at 10:30, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 11:38 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:05:20AM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: However, without such a measure, a statement that life is mostly unintelligent is ill-defined. Informal perhaps, but hardly ill-defined. Much the same could be said about

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 03:55:15PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: This is a question to Russell, as he has made a statement that life need not be intelligent. This was exactly my question what intelligent in this respect would mean. I was not using it in a technical sense, but just the

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread meekerdb
On 8/12/2012 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Aug 2012, at 10:30, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is unintelligent. The

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is unintelligent. The study of artificial life by the same reason need not be a study of artitificial intelligence,

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-11 Thread Stephen P. King
On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is unintelligent. The study of artificial life by the same reason need not

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following: On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is unintelligent.

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-11 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 04:22:44PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following: On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-11 Thread Stephen P. King
On 8/12/2012 1:18 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 04:22:44PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following: On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life

Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-09 Thread Roger
Hi Russell Standish I like this list I have just joined because of the excellent thinkers here, who are already changing my view of what computers can do in AI. The differences in our interpretations of AI and the possibility of computers simulating life is due to our different interpretations

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-09 Thread Russell Standish
The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is unintelligent. The study of artificial life by the same reason need not be a study of artitificial intelligence, although because of a biases as an intelligent species, a